avg sign ups per day

[Donnie Gangsta]

i want to know what avg # of sign ups a 'successful' per sign up program gets per day .... if anyone knows..

[Voodoo]

1200/day.

[LiveDose]

here we go....

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

[GTS Mark]

Fuck man, I wish I owned one of the programs I promote the most. They are making a shitload off me.

Fuckers!

DH

[LiveDose]

Originally posted by DrinkingHard
Fuck man, I wish I owned one of the programs I promote the most. They are making a shitload off me.

Fuckers!

DH

That's what all your gallery submitters are saying about you... LOL

[Donnie Gangsta]

i don't think per sign up programs make a whole lot of money off each sign up, man.. like $10/ea or so and it takes a few months to make that.. at least in my experience.. but that's not bad at 1000+ joins/day I guess..

[TheDoc]

You guys are funny...

I know program owners that only do 100 signups a day that live in million dollar homes and drive high end cars.

Per signup programs make more than $10 a signup after the payout.

Math is simple, we can use industry average numbers to do the math. This is done on 50 signups daily to a normal paysite.

-- 50 signups x 4.95 X 30 days = $7425
-- 1500 signups in a month at 35% trial to convert (525) = $20973
-- Out of 50 signups daily that is around 25000 uniques daily.
25,000 uniques daily will produce around 18000 people viewing the exit daily. Out of 18,000 1:1800 will signup for something.
10 signups X $35 = $3500
-- 1500 signups in a month will produce 450 cross sales at $15 each comes out to $6750
-- 1500 signups produces 90% active e-mails, emails are worth on average $20 per (on cc e-mails) so 1350 x $20 = $27000

Total with no recurring made the paysite owner earns..
$65648

The paysite owner paid out: $52500

Now, factors that earn the paysite owner more money are...
He probally get's some SE traffic, type in traffic, produces some of his own traffic, has recurring, 2% of all signups will forget, program errors will cause signup drops, not all paysites convert at 1:500 some do better some are a traffic drain, upsales in the members areas, opt in e-mails on the front of the paysites, ppc deals with very low signup rates and a good amount of other things.

Now, the fact is some paysites are under the 'average' ofcourse which means some do better than others. Yes it means some shave but while I think most don't.

BTW, this would be a successfull paysite... Earning an easy 100k+ after some recurring started to build in.

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by TheDoc
You guys are funny...

Per signup programs make more than $10 a signup after the payout.

Math is simple, we can use industry average numbers to do the math. This is done on 50 signups daily to a normal paysite.

-- 50 signups x 4.95 X 30 days = $7425
-- 1500 signups in a month at 35% trial to convert (525) = $20973
-- Out of 50 signups daily that is around 25000 uniques daily.
25,000 uniques daily will produce around 18000 people viewing the exit daily. Out of 18,000 1:1800 will signup for something.
10 signups X $35 = $3500
-- 1500 signups in a month will produce 450 cross sales at $15 each comes out to $6750
-- 1500 signups produces 90% active e-mails, emails are worth on average $20 per (on cc e-mails) so 1350 x $20 = $27000

Total with no recurring made the paysite owner earns..
$65648

The paysite owner paid out: $52500

Now, factors that earn the paysite owner more money are...
He probally get's some SE traffic, type in traffic, produces some of his own traffic, has recurring, 2% of all signups will forget, program errors will cause signup drops, not all paysites convert at 1:500 some do better some are a traffic drain, upsales in the members areas, opt in e-mails on the front of the paysites, ppc deals with very low signup rates and a good amount of other things.

Now, the fact is some paysites are under the 'average' ofcourse which means some do better than others. Yes it means some shave but while I think most don't.

BTW, this would be a successfull paysite... Earning an easy 100k+ after some recurring started to build in.

Whoops.....

50 sign ups per day, $35 per sign up to affiliates = $1750 per day
$1750 x 30 = $52,500/mo to affiliates

Those 50 sign ups are 4.95 ea, so $247.50 (minus 12.5% processing fee, but we'll minus the fees out at the end)

trials are $7425/month
35% convert.. so 525 x 39.95 = $20973~

Exit consoles (your #'s): 10 per day, so 49.50 per day in trials

49.50 * 30 = $1485.00
35% convert, so 105 conversions/month at 39.95 = $4194.75

So, let's add up these numbers:

Per Month:
7425 (trials)
20973~ (conversions)
1485 (exit console trials)
4195~ (exit console conversions)
--------
34,078
- 4259.75 (average processing fee of 12.5%)-
+6500 (cross sales)
--------
36300~

36300~(Gross profit)
- 52,500 (to affiliates)
-------------
-16,700 (Better hope the rebills come in with a net profit of negative $17k after the first month)

The per sign up game ain't easy.....that shit takes 3+ months to get your $ back and you're lucky to make $10.. for real.

And the reason I left out your email numbers is because they're totally unfounded. Emails are NOT worth $20/ea.. they are worth maybe $5 .. besides, mailing them kills retention... mailing cancelled ones is ok.. if they are worth $20 prove it.. I'd really like to know. I mail mine to pre-populated sign up forms where they just have to validate their email address and still only make $5~ on avg

[Sly_RJ]

Donnie, I don't know what you run, but if I'm not mistaken, TheDoc runs Large Cash.

He probably knows more about the PPS game than you gave him credit for.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
i want to know what avg # of sign ups a 'successful' per sign up program gets per day .... if anyone knows..

too fiddy!

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Donnie, I don't know what you run, but if I'm not mistaken, TheDoc runs Large Cash.

He probably knows more about the PPS game than you gave him credit for.

Dude.. i just don't see how emails can be worth $20.. if they are I wish he would fill me in on what he is doing to make them more.. that would be very useful.

[TheDoc]

First off we for sure don't get charged 12.5%.. Our numbers are a tad to high to get our asses raped like that.

Cross sales = no processing fee for us.

E-mails... God this is simple

Let's see... Instant e-mail sales to epoch members, production rate is very high. BTW, e-mail current members to 'other' sites does nothing to retention, just like the price as long as it's not stupid high or really low.

As well with us, not sure about others when you start clicking you start getting that niche again to other sites, ect. It's a smart system, most paysite owners have this.

CC holding e-mails are worth about $19.30 each on average while double opt in on our paysites pull in around $13.60 each.

If your not doing those numbers you can hire me for $10k for 3 hours to teach you what to do.

The numbers I gave for exit traffic is a low %. 65% will see the exit and more like 1:1500 that view the exit will signup, I did the math at 1:1800.

Rebills on trials on average are 1.7 months which means even with your math the paysite owner still makes more than $10.

With all the other factors, like 2 3 or 4 more popup windows.

Paysite owners often have nice homes, drive nice cars, invest money, own many different business, travel often, etc... I guess we do this by only making $10 on a signup.

I guess we are hurting for cash... I mean really. The 18,000 sq foot office we have, 2 hot tubs, 2 saunas, 1 steam room, 5 racket ball courts, we cook breakfast and lunch for employees, 2 big screens, couches, pool table and a bar and 20 employees are all paid on that extra $10 we earn.

It's a number game. First off no paysite get's 50 signups and all 50 belong to webmasters That is with no shave, just the way shit is.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta


Dude.. i just don't see how emails can be worth $20.. if they are I wish he would fill me in on what he is doing to make them more.. that would be very useful.

you just sell them to dank cash

[Donnie Gangsta]

hey doc? you got ICQ? I want to ask you something about epoch.. I would appreciate it if you would post your UIN here.

[TheDoc]

7765825

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by TheDoc


you can hire me for $10k for 3 hours to teach you what to do.

3 hours?? to tell him what? the name of your email broker...?

[TheDoc]

All our e-mails are in house, currently we have no other webmasters mailing us. Oh and we have NEVER purchased an e-mail list. We do have webmasters that mail us but we are rather strict on this as we host at SexTracker and they are very well known for a anti mail policy.

[kevinl]

1500 signups produces 90% active e-mails, emails are worth on average $20 per (on cc e-mails) so 1350 x $20 = $27000

Questions

1. I work my member emails hard and I cant in one month make 20.00 off them. How did you get this number

2. A 35% conversion rate on a 39.95 membership price doesnt seem right. I have a very select niche paysite that I charge 29.95 for each month and it retains at 40-45%and when I tried to go up my conversions it went to shit.

[Brown Bear]

I had a conversation with Marc De from ARS once about the value of a sale, and paying webmasters per sale. His description was almost exactly like TheDoc's.

[TheDoc]

Originally posted by kevinl
Questions

1. I work my member emails hard and I cant in one month make 20.00 off them. How did you get this number

2. A 35% conversion rate on a 39.95 membership price doesnt seem right. I have a very select niche paysite that I charge 29.95 for each month and it retains at 40-45%and when I tried to go up my conversions it went to shit.

1) We don't use other purchased e-mail lists, we also drive in our own traffic, tons of it. The mixture allows us to have higher quality e-mails that then old sold out lists.

2) 35% really is nothing, that is only the industry average. Try out our recurring program and we will blow 35% away on a $36.12 a month site. Your statement also sounds like you are talking about non trial sites. If you are, the average is 50% for retention.

[kmanrox]

some good guestimates here... donnie, yours look good, *but* it is my understanding that most PPS programs that start will lose money for the first 2-3 months, then yes, the recurring is where you make your money... don't forget how potent the email addresses you collect from your joins are and how much money they can yield....

as far as how many signups to make you very successful, i agree with the doc, i too know people who do 100-150 joins a day 35$ PPS who own multiple mansion, and 300k cars and have 15+ employees all getting over 35k per year each..... i also know people with the same amount of purchased clout (houses, cars etc) who do 1200 joins a day.... im sure their bank accounts are looking alot better, but 100-150 joins a day to your program is certainly enough to have you balling like a bigdog.

[bigdog]

kick ass thread good info doc

[Sly_RJ]

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[playa]

Originally posted by TheDoc
I guess we are hurting for cash... I mean really. The 18,000 sq foot office we have, 2 hot tubs, 2 saunas, 1 steam room, 5 racket ball courts, we cook breakfast and lunch for employees, 2 big screens, couches, pool table and a bar and 20 employees are all paid on that extra $10 we earn.

DAMNNN, where can i send my resume

[UncleJimmy]

I LOVE it when TheDoc drops some serious math knowledge out there....


Don't get me mixed up with Poindexter here, but it's very true that...Scientia Est Potentia

[slapass]

Working the emails? If you use other sponsors who do you use? They all have TOS that says no SPAM. I have a 2k email list and if it turned into $40k I would be more then happy.




They were porn related opt in not proven porn buyers so $20k is still ok hehe.

[Theo]

TheDoc rules. He is the only per signup owner i can recall analyzing the per signup model now and in the past.

[p00p]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
TheDoc rules. He is the only per signup owner i can recall analyzing the per signup model now and in the past.

what does he own?

[ToyBoys]

double opted in e-mails are not worth 15$ each


CC holders e-mails, I can see
so If you are mailing cancelled members I understand

There is no way that a surfer that gives you his address and not a cc number is worth 15$ each

They do have value, but not quite that high

[Cindyff]

Hey Doc
I got $50 can you talk really really fast ??
Cindy XXX

[kristin]

Originally posted by p00p


what does he own?

LargeCash

[kristin]

Originally posted by Cindyff
Hey Doc
I got $50 can you talk really really fast ??
Cindy XXX

Such the wrong question to ask....
He will and it's scary

[TheDoc]

Come on guys this is really simple

Here is what our system is able to do, just follow along

1) You signup, you confirm, you get an e-mail with the free memebership.

2) Members area has a upgrade area that costs more for a real members area.

3) Every single e-mail tracks, opens, clicks, niche clicks, days to open, revisits. We can start sending more than one e-mail based on different things they click on the e-mail or in the members area.

4) We send mainly to our own sites which makes the value more, as well we do a hell of a lot better than 35% trial to converts.

5) Each paysite has for internal use: free memberships, $1 for 3 days, $1 for one month, flat rates, etc. We as well have paysites that we don't have in LC.

The different ways we make money from e-mails.
Members area upgrades, around XX% (wont tell), banners in the members areas to us and sponsors. Sex shops, casinos, etc. Sales from free sites to low cost member sites. We don't just mail our paysites, we have software, pills, books, sexshop, videos all owed by us.

Our e-mails are worth more because we are not getting paid $35 a signup. Our signups alone make $35 within the trial period. We make more sending to us which makes our e-mails worth more.

[TeraBabes]

Originally posted by TheDoc
The numbers I gave for exit traffic is a low %. 65% will see the exit and more like 1:1500 that view the exit will signup, I did the math at 1:1800.

Actually, I think your numbers for exit traffic were very high.

Originally posted by TheDoc
-- Out of 50 signups daily that is around 25000 uniques daily.
25,000 uniques daily will produce around 18000 people viewing the exit daily. Out of 18,000 1:1800 will signup for something.
10 signups X $35 = $3500

Your math is good until 10 x $35 becomes $3500. I think $350 is more like it.

Don't get me wrong, great post(s), but I wanted to correct that fairly large error.

Edit: Of course, your exit numbers were for just one day, weren't they? Interesting. That means you make more like $10,500 from your exits.

[BVF]

Originally posted by TheDoc
Come on guys this is really simple


The different ways we make money from e-mails.
Members area upgrades, around XX% (wont tell), banners in the members areas to us and sponsors. Sex shops, casinos, etc. Sales from free sites to low cost member sites. We don't just mail our paysites, we have software, pills, books, sexshop, videos all owed by us.

Our e-mails are worth more because we are not getting paid $35 a signup. Our signups alone make $35 within the trial period. We make more sending to us which makes our e-mails worth more.

Goddamn!!.....I'm Surely Taking Notes....I used to be just satisfied with someone joining my site...Now I've gotten more aggressive with advertising and after reading this, I'm DEFINITELY going to get aggressive marketing alternative products (pills,casino's) to my surfers and to my members.

This seems like a man who will try to squeeze water out of sandstone....

[playa]

Originally posted by BVF


Goddamn!!.....I'm Surely Taking Notes....I used to be just satisfied with someone joining my site...Now I've gotten more aggressive with advertising and after reading this, I'm DEFINITELY going to get aggressive marketing alternative products (pills,casino's) to my surfers and to my members.

This seems like a man who will try to squeeze water out of sandstone....

you must not remembered what i told you in vegas,,
was you high?

[<IMX>]

hot shit. TheDoc


You've given me a great homework assignment.
However, I have one question.

What application/s do you use to run project analysis?

thx.

[TheDoc]

We make a ton more than $10k a month on our exits, our 3rd exit makes more than that.

Hmm I did hit edit on the $3500 to remove a zero but I guess the edit didnt take hold, good catch.

Our exits do well, I handle those personally. We track everything as well on our exits, uniques, raws, views, clicks to each slot, joins the sponsors get, and so on.

No reason to argue numbers with me. We don't do 'industry average' numbers.

If anyone else has any questions post away I will be leaving early AM on Wed to go to Texas for a short visit so I have a few more hours before I stop posting.

[<IMX>]

bump

What application/s do you use to run project analysis?

[BVF]

Originally posted by playa



you must not remembered what i told you in vegas,,
was you high?

of course I was...next time I should listen harder through my drunk and high cloudy haze....

[TheDoc]

All of our software was custom coded in house. We currently have 8 in house coders. All project analysis is done in my head

[Simon-interaid]

Doc,

Looking for a *nix server admin by any chance ?

[Plat]

Originally posted by playa



you must not remembered what i told you in vegas,,
was you high?

He was high yes :P


Nice fucking post by the way.

[bawdy]

Originally posted by TheDoc

3) Every single e-mail tracks, opens, clicks, niche clicks, days to open, revisits. We can start sending more than one e-mail based on different things they click on the e-mail or in the members area.

* BOOM *

the penny just dropped... thanks for that....

think i got some work to do now

[BJ]

I copied and saved a lot of this thread... first time ever

[Muff]

Originally posted by TheDoc
If anyone else has any questions post away I will be leaving early AM on Wed to go to Texas for a short visit so I have a few more hours before I stop posting.

Whats your email addy Or you can shoot me one below so I can reply.

[SNOW]

ok

[synapse]

Doc ....

"3) Every single e-mail tracks, opens, clicks, niche clicks, days to open, revisits. We can start sending more than one e-mail based on different things they click on the e-mail or in the members area."

... how do you do this ?

... read in a tracking code from a bounce back subjest, add return recipts, send your emails as HTML with image/javascript tracking built into the page ... or other ?

The reason I ask of course is because I've been trying to think of a way to do that as well but I can see problems / inaccuracies with all the above so I'm hopeing it's "other" and you can elaborate.

TIA

[bawdy]

Originally posted by synapse
Doc ....

"3) Every single e-mail tracks, opens, clicks, niche clicks, days to open, revisits. We can start sending more than one e-mail based on different things they click on the e-mail or in the members area."

... how do you do this ?

... read in a tracking code from a bounce back subjest, add return recipts, send your emails as HTML with image/javascript tracking built into the page ... or other ?

The reason I ask of course is because I've been trying to think of a way to do that as well but I can see problems / inaccuracies with all the above so I'm hopeing it's "other" and you can elaborate.

TIA

easy if u are sending a html email.... place a web bug graphic that has in user id as the file name... this will give u the opens.... all links to sites from email have userid passed in the query string... set cookie... log each click on site... write some code that pushes back to email address more of the same that was clicked

[KCat]

Originally posted by Cindyff
Hey Doc
I got $50 can you talk really really fast ??
Cindy XXX

I'll throw in $50 too! Does that buy us a minute?