Porn and Religion - Post some of YOUR experiences...

[Donny]

Posted from me, to Fletch, in his "lyrics" thread :

Ah, so religion fucked up your life too. We have another thing in common. I was raised in a very strict religious environment. Those with TV's were expected to bring them to the church and smash them. Those with records (other than gospel of course) were expected to bring the records to church to burn them. At church camp, boys were expected to swim seperately from the girls, and to wear full jeans and a shirt. Girls were expected to swim in full dresses. Weird shit, man.

I saw people rolling on the floors like they were having seizures. I saw them running around the aisle, supposedly under the power of "the holy spirit". I saw numerous lives crushed by the people that made others feel so guilty and worthless because of the TINIEST "sins".

I hate religion.


Post your experiences.

[Jer]

Being raised in a "very strict religious environment" would suck. I'm free. Thank you, God.

My mother-in-law is *very* catholic, but she doesn't mind me working with porn.

See the line under my nick.

[187]

nothing evil about sex

god created it didn't he?

it's something we as humans enjoy, i don't think porn is bad at all... it's natural

[Paul Waters]

Well, I have a serious butt fetish.

When I am shooting a model, and we get to the bum spreads....

...I have a spiritual experience.

[erehwon]

I look at religion this way, I am spirtual but not religious.

I run with the Lightspeed World way of religion.

I have the pick of two with my parents, I lean more toward the Anglican side of the family, but I am not going to church at all often (OK, I have yet to go in the last six months), I dig Buddhism, Baptists, and bits of Judaism.

I avoid talking about it for the most part, it also seems like a easy way to start a war in the name of one religion or another if you look at history over the last 1000 years.

But I belive there is a higher power, I just don't go all gonzo in practicing it like some of my more religious friends do. When my time comes, I really believe my positives will outweigh my negatives (whichever way you want to look at working in this industry) and I will procede onward, I just wont have great seats.

[airpal]

Religion....




In 1994 Moskowitz wrote an affidavit which states:

"After speaking for about an hour at the meeting, Mr. Hubbard answered questions from the audience. He made the following statement in response to a question about making money from writing: `You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.'"


And people still believe in that crap, ignorance must truly be bliss.

[pradaboy]

you have had a bad experience with religion, but what caused that experience? God or the people who actually did it?

ppl use different motives for different purposes, making a dictatorial community under the name "religion" does not make religion bad but the people that abuse it!

[TheLegacy]

when we people begin to see that religion and church have nothing to do with God

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by airpal
ignorance must truly be bliss.

you should know

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by TheLegacy
when we people begin to see that religion and church have nothing to do with God

you probably meant when WILL people... ?

I totally agree, wise words

[LadyMischief]

I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, so man, I feel that pain. That's no way to live a life. Fortunately for me I have found a belief system that suits who I am. Power to the pagans, they had it right all along!

[airpal]

Originally posted by pradaboy
you have had a bad experience with religion, but what caused that experience? God or the people who actually did it?

ppl use different motives for different purposes, making a dictatorial community under the name "religion" does not make religion bad but the people that abuse it!

Nah, not a bad experience. I like to think for myself, question almost everything, and live life objectively. So after blindingly following a religion (for many years) because of family/tradition, I simply thought with an open mind, did a LOT of reading, and realized the original cause of religion was to control masses through fear. I asked hundreds of people as to why bother believing in religion/god, and not one single person could give me a solid reason. And it has made literally billions of people take an insane leap of faith, which affects their lives tremendously. The corruption of religion/religious leaders today, the way it segregates all humans and the way it attempts to control the way we live our lives, is just "icing on the cake".

Unfortunately, Freud put it best when he said that religion is currently only practical to prevent anarchy/chaos. It's the easy way out to use fear instead of just educating people that killing each other is not beneficial for society as a whole.

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by airpal
Nah, not a bad experience. I like to think for myself, question almost everything, and live life objectively. So after blindingly following a religion (for many years) because of family/tradition, I simply thought with an open mind, did a LOT of reading, and realized the original cause of religion was to control masses through fear. I asked hundreds of people as to why bother believing in religion/god, and not one single person could give me a solid reason. And it has made literally billions of people take an insane leap of faith, which affects their lives tremendously. The corruption of religion/religious leaders today, the way it segregates all humans and the way it attempts to control the way we live our lives, is just "icing on the cake".

Unfortunately, Freud put it best when he said that religion is currently only practical to prevent anarchy/chaos. It's the easy way out to use fear instead of just educating people that killing each other is not beneficial for society as a whole.

you should never follow anything blindingly! I've never followed anything without researching it first but fact is i have found that God does exist, only religion is a human product and not a product of God, he has given us the Bible and if you read it right you know what to do.
Please don't come back slapping the ten commandments around coz if you read the Bible you realize that Jesus is the only point of real importance and the rest is ancient history.

If you really wanna discuss this seriously hit me up anytime, I'm always open to discussions (given it's with an intellectual )

[Dirty D]

Dirty D fucked the Preacher's Wife... at a http://www.TampaBukkake.com party

Does that mean I am going to hell?

[mindoza]

I have this posted on the wall by my desk!

A Rabbi's Prayer For Jewish Porn Surfers
By: Charles Farrar
01-21-2004


JERUSALEM - Devout Jews who feel guilty after visiting adult Websites now have help if they want it ? an Israeli rabbi has composed a prayer for just such guilt.

"Please, God, help me cleanse the computer of viruses and evil photographs which disturb and ruin my work? so that I shall be able to cleanse myself," says the prayer composed by Shlomo Eliahu, the chief rabbi in the town of Safed.

Eliahu has told the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth he responded to a mass of queries from orthodox Jews who fear adult Websites may put their family relationships at risk.

Eliahu has also recommended devout Jews to recite the prayer whenever they log onto the Internet, saying they could even program it to flash on their screens, "so they are spiritually covered whether they enter a porn site intentionally or by mistake."

[Donny]

Originally posted by pradaboy
you should never follow anything blindingly! I've never followed anything without researching it first but fact is i have found that God does exist, only religion is a human product and not a product of God, he has given us the Bible and if you read it right you know what to do.
Please don't come back slapping the ten commandments around coz if you read the Bible you realize that Jesus is the only point of real importance and the rest is ancient history.

If you really wanna discuss this seriously hit me up anytime, I'm always open to discussions (given it's with an intellectual )

The Bible has nothing to do with God.

Here's what I mean: let's assume that a perfect God exists. The Bible claims to be inspired by God... God's own words put into writing, if you will.

So please tell me why Hosea 13:16 has that perfect God commanding that unborn babies be ripped from their mothers wombs, simply because the people in that village were rebellious.
And please tell me why that is NOT a direct contradiction of Exodus 20:13, where God commands us all "Thou shalt not kill".

[fris]

i belive in god. i goto church. end of story.

[the real magoo]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Ah, so religion fucked up your life too. We have another thing in common. I was raised in a very strict religious environment. Those with TV's were expected to bring them to the church and smash them. Those with records (other than gospel of course) were expected to bring the records to church to burn them. At church camp, boys were expected to swim seperately from the girls, and to wear full jeans and a shirt. Girls were expected to swim in full dresses. Weird shit, man.

I saw people rolling on the floors like they were having seizures. I saw them running around the aisle, supposedly under the power of "the holy spirit". I saw numerous lives crushed by the people that made others feel so guilty and worthless because of the TINIEST "sins".

That sounds like islam to me..oh wait..they are all the same

[lazycash]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The Bible has nothing to do with God.

Here's what I mean: let's assume that a perfect God exists. The Bible claims to be inspired by God... God's own words put into writing, if you will.

So please tell me why Hosea 13:16 has that perfect God commanding that unborn babies be ripped from their mothers wombs, simply because the people in that village were rebellious.
And please tell me why that is NOT a direct contradiction of Exodus 20:13, where God commands us all "Thou shalt not kill".

You need to separate the old covenant from the new covenant after Christ came. I've seen your posts many times before and you try and reduce it all to some simplistic analogy, its just not that simple. You can't apply man's law to God, during the old testament times God ruled with his sovereign power and death was the punishment for sin. I realize that you've had a bad religious experience growing up and you don't want your son to have anything to do with it, but try and separate spirituality from religion and hopefully you can find a middle ground.

[MediumPimpin]

Repressed customers are great for biz!

[SinisterStudios]

Religion is for weak minded people

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by lazycash
You need to separate the old covenant from the new covenant after Christ came. I've seen your posts many times before and you try and reduce it all to some simplistic analogy, its just not that simple. You can't apply man's law to God, during the old testament times God ruled with his sovereign power and death was the punishment for sin. I realize that you've had a bad religious experience growing up and you don't want your son to have anything to do with it, but try and separate spirituality from religion and hopefully you can find a middle ground.

exactly what I was gonna say...

[Donny]

Originally posted by lazycash
You need to separate the old covenant from the new covenant after Christ came. I've seen your posts many times before and you try and reduce it all to some simplistic analogy, its just not that simple. You can't apply man's law to God, during the old testament times God ruled with his sovereign power and death was the punishment for sin. I realize that you've had a bad religious experience growing up and you don't want your son to have anything to do with it, but try and separate spirituality from religion and hopefully you can find a middle ground.

Do you know how much BULLSHIT that is???? In the Bible it claims God does not change. It says he's "the same yesterday, today, and forever". How can ANYONE base their lives on a book that is NOT perfect. There is no "new covenant".

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Do you know how much BULLSHIT that is???? In the Bible it claims God does not change. It says he's "the same yesterday, today, and forever". How can ANYONE base their lives on a book that is NOT perfect. There is no "new covenant".

how about the New Testament? Everything changed after Jesus came to us and saved us, please please read the Bible before discussing it, seriously if you read it you will see that the New Testament changed everything... EVERYTHING!

[MiSsBeHeaDReSs]

Originally posted by pradaboy
how about the New Testament? Everything changed after Jesus came to us and saved us, please please read the Bible before discussing it, seriously if you read it you will see that the New Testament changed everything... EVERYTHING!

true that...I hate it when people argue with me about the bible when they have never read it

I'm a christian and I work in pr0n...
sounds wierd, but me and JC have an awesome relationship

[Paul Waters]

Originally posted by LadyMischief
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, so man, I feel that pain.

I have a JW wing in my family. Fortunately their attempts at assimilation failed. I started thinking for myself at a pretty young age.

I have a female cousin who was a straight A student. Then she was assimilated and turned her brain off. She is on her fourth marriage.

Another cousin had an affair with another member of the church, and they were shunned for five years. But they had a civil marriage, made they right noises and are now back in the church. A shame.

[TurboTrucker]

I use porn religiously.

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by MiSsBeHeaDReSs
true that...I hate it when people argue with me about the bible when they have never read it

I'm a christian and I work in pr0n...
sounds wierd, but me and JC have an awesome relationship

[pimplink]

I'm not religious but I believe in God.

I came from a family where everytime you come home and visit your elders, you have to kiss their hands to show respect.

I still do that . And though I work for porn, I still do those traditions and don't talk about work when I'm at home with the oldies...

[Peter Romero]

I make her see God every time...

[Donny]

Originally posted by pradaboy
how about the New Testament? Everything changed after Jesus came to us and saved us, please please read the Bible before discussing it, seriously if you read it you will see that the New Testament changed everything... EVERYTHING!

Read it? I have a good part of it MEMORIZED. That was something that was expected of a preacher's son.

Idiots make the argument you're making... that the new testament somehow changes the old. It's ALL bullshit.

Remember, it's the NEW testament that God is "the same yesterday, and today, and forever".

But HOW CAN THAT BE if the God of the Old Testament was a God that killed people for rebellion, but in the New Testament becomes a God of mercy?

Common sense... use some.

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Read it? I have a good part of it MEMORIZED. That was something that was expected of a preacher's son.

Idiots make the argument you're making... that the new testament somehow changes the old. It's ALL bullshit.

Remember, it's the NEW testament that God is "the same yesterday, and today, and forever".

But HOW CAN THAT BE if the God of the Old Testament was a God that killed people for rebellion, but in the New Testament becomes a God of mercy?

Common sense... use some.

First of all, why are you calling me an idiot for no reason? IMO in an adult discussion it's not needed to call each other names now is it?

Very good that you have the NT partially memorized, too bad it is because you were kinda "forced" to remember it and that's not the way it should be.

In the NT it's clearly made out that God pulled his hands of this world and send His Son to this earth, since that day the rules of God have not changed... only one single sin and you cannot reach Heaven. BUT... God looks to the earth now thru the eyes of His Son, accepting Jesus cleanses us from all sins and thus anyone can get into Heaven if they truly accept Jesus Christ.

If you have the NT so well memorized you should know this.

[bad_girl]

Originally posted by TurboTrucker
I use porn religiously.

Must you quote a dr.scholls commercial in your info?

BG

[Donny]

Originally posted by pradaboy
First of all, why are you calling me an idiot for no reason? IMO in an adult discussion it's not needed to call each other names now is it?

Very good that you have the NT partially memorized, too bad it is because you were kinda "forced" to remember it and that's not the way it should be.

In the NT it's clearly made out that God pulled his hands of this world and send His Son to this earth, since that day the rules of God have not changed... only one single sin and you cannot reach Heaven. BUT... God looks to the earth now thru the eyes of His Son, accepting Jesus cleanses us from all sins and thus anyone can get into Heaven if they truly accept Jesus Christ.

If you have the NT so well memorized you should know this.

The point is: the Bible makes NO sense. At all. No common sense whatsoever. There are many claims in the Bible that are not scientifically possible. And don't give me the "accept it by faith" bullshit....

God is a God of SCIENCE, not faith. Look at the "creation". It is very scientific. It is NOT "faith based".

Take a look at this site:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

That site ridicules the Bible, but DOES INDEED bring up some very VALID points and arguments.

Look especially at the "take a quiz" section:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/quizlist.html

Although those quizes are done to ridicule, they too raise several valid questions.

[Donny]

[crockett]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

well my thoughts are porn is good religion is bad

[Napolean]

I prayed for traffic and sales one time, but it didnt happen

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The point is: the Bible makes NO sense. At all. No common sense whatsoever. There are many claims in the Bible that are not scientifically possible. And don't give me the "accept it by faith" bullshit....

God is a God of SCIENCE, not faith. Look at the "creation". It is very scientific. It is NOT "faith based".

Take a look at this site:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

That site ridicules the Bible, but DOES INDEED bring up some very VALID points and arguments.

Look especially at the "take a quiz" section:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/quizlist.html

Although those quizes are done to ridicule, they too raise several valid questions.

If IYO the Bible makes no sense and you do not take for true what is said there that is your right to do so. The site you gave is nothing but mockery and I don't think highly of people who disrespect other peoples choices.

Think what you want to think... we'll know who was right and who was wrong in the end

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by pradaboy
The site you gave is nothing but mockery and I don't think highly of people who disrespect other peoples choices.

Great! Good to hear.

So I'm assuming you will respect the choice of gays who want to get married and women who want to have abortions.

[sacX]

yeah the Bible has some quite cool myths in it, I prefer Greek mythology though.

[graphicsbytia]

I don't belong to any religion, although I was raised catholic, went to catholic schools, and church every Sunday.

In my adult life I've come to my own idea of spirituality. I believe in goodness and karma.

To me, religion equals hate.. one example of that is the hate I see shown towards gay people. I cannot believe that any loving God would ever condone such hateful behaviours such as ones I've witnessed from so called Christian people.

In my opinion religion is for the weak who cannot think for themselves

[pine]

I read this in a thread about "The Passion of Christ". I thought it was apropos...

"There once was a book. And this book was filled with metaphorical tales whose characters may or may not have existed and may or may not have been personified beyond reality. And this book told stories meant to teach the basis of human nature in hopes that if a person read this book that they may learn to be better people from its simple lessons. And over the ages it has been reprinted and the stories retold and thier meaning reexamined. But in the end it is still a book with metaphorical tales meant to simply teach a lesson. That book was Aesop's Fables."

[lazycash]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Do you know how much BULLSHIT that is???? In the Bible it claims God does not change. It says he's "the same yesterday, today, and forever". How can ANYONE base their lives on a book that is NOT perfect. There is no "new covenant".

It's not bs, you applied man's law "thou shalt not kill" to God, doesn't work like that. Comparing those two verses is apples to oranges. You've quoted a site that is known to be run by a radical christian sect in order to mock mainstream christianity, much the same way martinlutherking.org is run by racists. The fact that you're using that site as a foundation of your thoughts tells me plenty. I really don't think this is the place to delve into deep theological discussions, you're always going to get a very skewed response. I have an extremely similar background as you Donovan and have gone through many of the conflicts you're dealing with, I'll hit you up on icq one of these days and we can discuss.

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Great! Good to hear.

So I'm assuming you will respect the choice of gays who want to get married and women who want to have abortions.

I have nothing against gay people, abortions are a tricky subject tho but it depends on the reason why

[pradaboy]

Originally posted by lazycash
It's not bs, you applied man's law "thou shalt not kill" to God, doesn't work like that. Comparing those two verses is apples to oranges. You've quoted a site that is known to be run by a radical christian sect in order to mock mainstream christianity, much the same way martinlutherking.org is run by racists. The fact that you're using that site as a foundation of your thoughts tells me plenty. I really don't think this is the place to delve into deep theological discussions, you're always going to get a very skewed response. I have an extremely similar background as you Donovan and have gone through many of the conflicts you're dealing with, I'll hit you up on icq one of these days and we can discuss.

could you hit me up on ICQ sometime? Contact info in sig