Dutchbilling - the big fuckup. - GoFuckYourself.com

antirush · 05-26-2003, 02:51 AM

This story beginned in the period 15/03 - 21/03 when I started working with Dutchbilling as processing in one adult webmaster revenue program. Everything was fine - I earned 789 bucks in that week, and I received that wire.

That was the first and last wire transfer I ever received from Dutchbilling.

In the next periods, I continued sending traffic. But in one point, I noticed the high percentage of "credits" - reversal transactions. As the site owner explainted to me, it's chargebacks, reversals, revokes and even checks - checks are credited but they have a high percent of charges, as there is no way to check funds in a check account.
Dutchbilling have no detailed statistic about bad transactions. "Credits" - it's all. Be satisfacted, webmaster, it's just "credits" DB will handle it.

Infortunately, DB had a lot of problems with fraudlent transactions, and they suspended a lot of accounts. My account was suspended in the day they promissed to send me the money - 19 may.

A lot of emails was send questioning "Why the account was suspended?". They never replied.

So, here's the stats resume for your judgement:

Period Sales Credits

22/03-28/03 79 (762,13) 4 (-54,88)
29/03-04/04 40 (664,30) 1 (-21,97)
04/05-04/11 56 (487,82) 6 (-49,32)
04/12-04/18 81 (756,57) 1 (-5,47)
04/19-04/25 25 (549,25) 0
04/26-05/02 6 (131,82) 0

Overall:
22/03-05/02 287 (3351,89) 12 (-131,64)
"Credits" percent: 4,1%

After end of the april I stopped sending traffic. Now is 26 May, no money, nothing.
I talked with Merijn (121409158) he said "Sorry, but i can't do anything about account (my_account_number_here)"

Damn, what could I do with that high "credit" percent? I never promissed free stuff or celebrities. The cardholder always had the site tour and the prices in front of him. DB should contact the site owners to help them decrease that "credits" ratio.

As prove of my words, I can show my stats from the same partnership, but in other processor.
Visitors Sales Rebills Sales ratio Chargebacks % Chargebacks Amount to pay
Total: 5715 $873.62 $439.40 1:62 $0.00 0.00% $1301.99
91 sales, ZERO Chargebacks.

They told my traffic (= my work and time) is bad only after the moment the money should be send. Everything was fine for them.

I accuse Dutchbilling of stealing my time, my work and my money.

Fellow webmasters NEVER, NEVER, N-E-V-E-R work with Dutchbilling, because they can fuck up your work, and they do it brilliantly.

Roald · 05-26-2003, 02:54 AM

mrthumbs · 05-26-2003, 03:12 AM

dutch + billing

that's like waving a red flag at a bull..

Serge_Oprano · 05-26-2003, 03:23 AM

Russian rape sites use them...

do I have to say more?

antirush · 05-26-2003, 03:34 AM

Serge, the program was neither rape nor russian.

I don't want to post it's name here because it will look like I am spamming it. If you are interested, ICQ me for details 121 409 158

Excretor · 05-26-2003, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by antirush
Serge, the program was neither rape nor russian.

I don't want to post it's name here because it will look like I am spamming it. If you are interested, ICQ me for details 121 409 158

I think your problem is in bad ways of advertisement (bsw. you told that memzone contains more than it has) or bad traffic sources (bsd countries or carderz/warez sites)...

andi_germany · 05-26-2003, 06:44 AM

Dutchbilling suspended all celeb sites effective 5/13/2003

andi_germany · 05-26-2003, 02:25 PM

If you don't get paid by dutchbilling it might be that the siteowner got suspended. Now the siteowner needs to get his account from 'suspended' to 'canceled' and you and the siteowner will get paid again. That's the info I just got from them.

Claude · 05-26-2003, 04:47 PM

Try emailing them again or use the ICQ - At some point they will answer, but it will take a lot of time

Claude · 05-26-2003, 04:49 PM

Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?

gothweb · 05-26-2003, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
dutch + billing

that's like waving a red flag at a bull..

What do you mean? That is a name that instatly instills trust. I would be sure that all of my pedo and beast site revenue was secure.

gothweb · 05-26-2003, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Claude
Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?

No.

SigToBig · 05-26-2003, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Russian rape sites use them...

do I have to say more?

do you fuck goats or sheep

max.yambo · 05-27-2003, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Russian rape sites use them...
do I have to say more?

and not only rape sites

Kimmykim · 05-27-2003, 02:06 AM

Oh shit, NOT ANOTHER cross border acquiring, Visa rule breaking processor that can't seem to pay people.

Ain't that a bitch.

grumpy · 05-27-2003, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Claude
Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?

Thats a fucking big sig you have, Way of

slavdogg · 05-27-2003, 04:11 AM

was paid by DB on 05/16/03

total credit this year 2.2%

Turf · 05-27-2003, 04:34 AM

i have tons of good sponsors using dutchbilling and have been paid like clock work

greentea · 05-27-2003, 05:43 AM

dutch billing should be renamed to bestiality billing

Konda · 05-27-2003, 10:23 AM

They suspended every affiliate account who didn't send any new signups in the past 2 weeks. They did this to scare the other affilliates to not switch to other processors (what was happening alot since they changed their rules).

Their new rules are:
50% max reseller payout
18% processing fee
20% holdback
etc.
Not very interesting for pay site owners as wel as affiliates.

Dutchbilling is partly owned by Hans Burger / Cybermedia / Book and Film. Verotel also owns part of it, but it's mainly run from Cybermedia's office. It was set up right after Ibill and Ccbill stopped processing for beasty sites, so they could get full control over all the other bestiality sites.

Their company is well known for producing and distributing bestiality and is also known for their unethic ways of getting rid of their competition.

Theo · 05-27-2003, 10:29 AM

"Hans Burger"

if you want to see another day coming......thread closed

kmanrox · 05-27-2003, 10:32 AM

i've been trying to get a hold of them for ages, nobody answers their emails etc... anyone know how to get a hold of them?

Konda · 05-27-2003, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
i've been trying to get a hold of them for ages, nobody answers their emails etc... anyone know how to get a hold of them?

They never reply to emails. The best is to call them. You can find the phone number at the contact information at cyber-media.nl

andi_germany · 05-27-2003, 02:07 PM

The number is:

01131 30 2803661 calling From US
0031 30 2803661 calling from Europe

Hard to find on the Dutchbilling site. its found under 'apply now'

05-26-2003, 02:51 AM	#1
antirush Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2	Dutchbilling - the big fuckup. This story beginned in the period 15/03 - 21/03 when I started working with Dutchbilling as processing in one adult webmaster revenue program. Everything was fine - I earned 789 bucks in that week, and I received that wire. That was the first and last wire transfer I ever received from Dutchbilling. In the next periods, I continued sending traffic. But in one point, I noticed the high percentage of "credits" - reversal transactions. As the site owner explainted to me, it's chargebacks, reversals, revokes and even checks - checks are credited but they have a high percent of charges, as there is no way to check funds in a check account. Dutchbilling have no detailed statistic about bad transactions. "Credits" - it's all. Be satisfacted, webmaster, it's just "credits" DB will handle it. Infortunately, DB had a lot of problems with fraudlent transactions, and they suspended a lot of accounts. My account was suspended in the day they promissed to send me the money - 19 may. A lot of emails was send questioning "Why the account was suspended?". They never replied. So, here's the stats resume for your judgement: Period Sales Credits 22/03-28/03 79 (762,13) 4 (-54,88) 29/03-04/04 40 (664,30) 1 (-21,97) 04/05-04/11 56 (487,82) 6 (-49,32) 04/12-04/18 81 (756,57) 1 (-5,47) 04/19-04/25 25 (549,25) 0 04/26-05/02 6 (131,82) 0 Overall: 22/03-05/02 287 (3351,89) 12 (-131,64) "Credits" percent: 4,1% After end of the april I stopped sending traffic. Now is 26 May, no money, nothing. I talked with Merijn (121409158) he said "Sorry, but i can't do anything about account (my_account_number_here)" Damn, what could I do with that high "credit" percent? I never promissed free stuff or celebrities. The cardholder always had the site tour and the prices in front of him. DB should contact the site owners to help them decrease that "credits" ratio. As prove of my words, I can show my stats from the same partnership, but in other processor. Visitors Sales Rebills Sales ratio Chargebacks % Chargebacks Amount to pay Total: 5715 $873.62 $439.40 1:62 $0.00 0.00% $1301.99 91 sales, ZERO Chargebacks. They told my traffic (= my work and time) is bad only after the moment the money should be send. Everything was fine for them. I accuse Dutchbilling of stealing my time, my work and my money. Fellow webmasters NEVER, NEVER, N-E-V-E-R work with Dutchbilling, because they can fuck up your work, and they do it brilliantly.

05-26-2003, 02:54 AM	#2
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05-27-2003, 04:11 AM	#17
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	was paid by DB on 05/16/03 total credit this year 2.2% __________________ Adult Traffic for Sale Last edited by slavdogg; 05-27-2003 at 04:15 AM..

05-27-2003, 05:43 AM	#19
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	dutch billing should be renamed to bestiality billing __________________ blunts

05-26-2003, 03:12 AM	#3
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	dutch + billing that's like waving a red flag at a bull..

05-26-2003, 03:23 AM	#4
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	Russian rape sites use them... do I have to say more?

05-26-2003, 03:34 AM	#5
antirush Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2	Serge, the program was neither rape nor russian. I don't want to post it's name here because it will look like I am spamming it. If you are interested, ICQ me for details 121 409 158

05-26-2003, 06:44 AM	#7
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Dutchbilling suspended all celeb sites effective 5/13/2003

05-26-2003, 02:25 PM	#8
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	If you don't get paid by dutchbilling it might be that the siteowner got suspended. Now the siteowner needs to get his account from 'suspended' to 'canceled' and you and the siteowner will get paid again. That's the info I just got from them.

05-26-2003, 04:47 PM	#9
Claude Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 1,036	Try emailing them again or use the ICQ - At some point they will answer, but it will take a lot of time

05-26-2003, 04:49 PM	#10
Claude Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 1,036	Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?

05-27-2003, 02:06 AM	#15
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	Oh shit, NOT ANOTHER cross border acquiring, Visa rule breaking processor that can't seem to pay people. Ain't that a bitch.

05-27-2003, 04:34 AM	#18
Turf Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: ICQ: 64644691 Posts: 1,865	i have tons of good sponsors using dutchbilling and have been paid like clock work

05-27-2003, 10:23 AM	#20
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	They suspended every affiliate account who didn't send any new signups in the past 2 weeks. They did this to scare the other affilliates to not switch to other processors (what was happening alot since they changed their rules). Their new rules are: 50% max reseller payout 18% processing fee 20% holdback etc. Not very interesting for pay site owners as wel as affiliates. Dutchbilling is partly owned by Hans Burger / Cybermedia / Book and Film. Verotel also owns part of it, but it's mainly run from Cybermedia's office. It was set up right after Ibill and Ccbill stopped processing for beasty sites, so they could get full control over all the other bestiality sites. Their company is well known for producing and distributing bestiality and is also known for their unethic ways of getting rid of their competition.

05-27-2003, 10:29 AM	#21
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,524	"Hans Burger" if you want to see another day coming......thread closed

05-27-2003, 10:32 AM	#22
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,272	i've been trying to get a hold of them for ages, nobody answers their emails etc... anyone know how to get a hold of them?

05-27-2003, 02:07 PM	#24
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	The number is: 01131 30 2803661 calling From US 0031 30 2803661 calling from Europe Hard to find on the Dutchbilling site. its found under 'apply now'