FTC serves Signup4cash at Internext

[FightThisPatent]

For those that were at Internext and heard the buzz about FTC agents showing up on the convention floor, here's the details:

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=6908



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[Manowar]

I read on another board they served Reflected Networks too, anyone know if thats true ?

[TheEbonyFelony]

looks like vegas playa wasnt lying

[ytcracker]

"people callin spam suicide now
because the ftc got our number on lock"
- ytcracker

[StuartD]

can-spam shake down huh?

I think this will affect a lot of those sponsors who allow or even turn a blind eye to spamming affiliates.

[nnweb]

damn that sucks.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by TheEbonyFelony

looks like vegas playa wasnt lying

He had WAY too much info for him to be making it all up.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by Manowar

I read on another board they served Reflected Networks too, anyone know if thats true ?

from the article:

The unsealed court documents name as defendants Las Vegas-based companies Global Net Solutions, Open Space Enterprises, Reflected Networks and Southlake Group, as well as London-based Global Net Ventures, and Latvian corporation Wedlake. Also named in the suit were Dustin Hamilton, an officer of GNS, director of GNV and officer of Reflected Networks; Tobin Banks, a director of Open Space; Gregory Hamilton, an officer and director of Southlake; Philip Doroff, an officer of Reflected Networks; and Paul Rose, an independent operator who allegedly sent several email messages promoting the GNS defendants? websites.





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[KRosh]

Originally Posted by Manowar

I read on another board they served Reflected Networks too, anyone know if thats true ?

The unsealed court documents name as defendants Las Vegas-based companies Global Net Solutions, Open Space Enterprises, Reflected Networks and Southlake Group, as well as London-based Global Net Ventures, and Latvian corporation Wedlake. Also named in the suit were Dustin Hamilton, an officer of GNS, director of GNV and officer of Reflected Networks; Tobin Banks, a director of Open Space; Gregory Hamilton, an officer and director of Southlake; Philip Doroff, an officer of Reflected Networks; and Paul Rose, an independent operator who allegedly sent several email messages promoting the GNS defendants? websites.

[BlingDaddy]

Ugly.

[KRosh]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

from the article:

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hahah beat me to it

[TheEbonyFelony]

Originally Posted by candyflip

He had WAY too much info for him to be making it all up.

I agree.Lens had to shut the threads down due to a possibility that he was being a disgruntled employee.I think the right thing to do is have these threads reopened

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by MaskedMan

can-spam shake down huh?

I think this will affect a lot of those sponsors who allow or even turn a blind eye to spamming affiliates.

From the article:
The complaint alleges that the defendants were part of a network of corporations that violated the FTC?s Adult Labeling Rule by often failing to include the required ?SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT:? email subject heading and violating the opt-out provisions that require all email to include links that allow receivers to unsubscribe.



Sounds like they got the easy targets.. ones that didn't even bother to comply with can-spam. I guess they didn't read can-spam.. you follow the guidelines and spamming is ok


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[jacked]

sounds like some fucked up shit went down in vegas

[Tony Montana]

Spamming adult images to kids and other people who don't want it is pretty serious IMO

[BradM]

[OzMan]

Originally Posted by TheEbonyFelony

looks like vegas playa wasnt lying

Yup, what he said sounded right.
The idea that he was a disgruntled ex-employee just shit stirring didn't make sense considering the details of what he said and his attitude.

Thanks vegas playa for the early heads up.

[nofx]

another sponsor falls, 3 more will rise

[candyflip]

Where's Baghdad....errr....I mean Donnie Gangsta to shed more light on this "fake" drama?

[FightThisPatent]

in the mainstream news:

"FTC cracks down on alleged porn e-mails"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6812669/

Fight the Everybody knows now!

[Juicy D. Links]

interestinggggggggg

[ytcracker]

p.s. reflected isnt even part of the hullabaloo

it was just named as part of the sweep

[xlogger]

So their are people selling crack on the street and they are going after spammers? geez
This is exactally what happened to stupidcash. Its obvious.

[BradM]

?Spammers beware. We are on the side of parents and kids to protect their ability to filter out sexually-explicit e-mails.?

Hear that guys? Start using proper subjects.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by ytcracker

p.s. reflected isnt even part of the hullabaloo

it was just named as part of the sweep

They're listed as a defendant:

"Defendants in the complaint include: Global Net Solutions, based in Las Vegas, Nevada; Global Net Ventures, Ltd., based in London, England; Wedlake, Ltd, allegedly based in Riga, Latvia; Open Space Enterprises, Inc., based in Las Vegas; Southlake Group, Inc., based in Las Vegas; WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., based in Las Vegas; Dustin Hamilton; Tobin Banks; Gregory Hamilton; Philip Doroff; and Paul Rose."

[TheEbonyFelony]

Originally Posted by xlogger

So their are people selling crack on the street and they are going after spammers? geez
This is exactally what happened to stupidcash. Its obvious.

stupidcash was NOT closed due to spammers

[FightThisPatent]

FTC's own Press Release:
http://ftc.gov/opa/2005/01/globalnetsolutions.htm


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[ytcracker]

Originally Posted by candyflip

They're listed as a defendant:

"Defendants in the complaint include: Global Net Solutions, based in Las Vegas, Nevada; Global Net Ventures, Ltd., based in London, England; Wedlake, Ltd, allegedly based in Riga, Latvia; Open Space Enterprises, Inc., based in Las Vegas; Southlake Group, Inc., based in Las Vegas; WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., based in Las Vegas; Dustin Hamilton; Tobin Banks; Gregory Hamilton; Philip Doroff; and Paul Rose."

im not arguing they were named

i was at the fucking booth when it happened

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by BradM

?Spammers beware. We are on the side of parents and kids to protect their ability to filter out sexually-explicit e-mails.?

Hear that guys? Start using proper subjects.

Yup, thats all they want. Everyone is too greedy and wants the extra hits of people looking at their site to report them. I mean the USA even made laws saying it was ok to send adult stuff to anyone, just follow the rules. They are trying to help everyone out obviously. Don't mess up a good thing.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by candyflip

He had WAY too much info for him to be making it all up.

so why is he banned here again?

[LeeNoga]

I have always said the Internext show is the cheapest and most effective way for the US government to gain info and take care of business on a low budget...everyone is under one roof....

This really blows for those that were served, their legal bills are going to be astronomical.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by ytcracker

im not arguing they were named

i was at the fucking booth when it happened

You don't think that being named as a defendant and having a direct association with all that is going down warrents them being "part of the hullabaloo"?

[ytcracker]

According to Piccionelli, the presence of federal agents at Internext highlights a trend he expects to see grow over the next several years as government prosecution of the adult industry increases.

?There really was not an elaborate internationally known set of shows that the adult business gathers at back in the ?70s and early ?80s,? Piccionelli said. ?At different times, when there are justice department sweeps, don?t be surprised if this becomes a mode of operation for the government in the future. They like getting everybody in one place and serving them.?


dont go to conventions

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

so why is he banned here again?

Because Donnie claimed that he was nothing more than a disgruntled employee, so Lensmen shut him down.

Hopefully Lens will see this and straighten things out. Like reopening the threads as TDF said above.

[OzMan]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Where's Baghdad....errr....I mean Donnie Gangsta to shed more light on this "fake" drama?

you read my mind... please insert that dudes pic here to assure us everything is ok

[FightThisPatent]

From the FTC PR. given the charges against the company, it also makes for a quick primer on the Don'ts of email soliciations:


"The complaint also charges that the defendants violated the CAN-SPAM Act by sending e-mail or procuring third parties to send e-mail that:

-contained false or misleading transmission information;

-contained deceptive subject headings;

-failed to contain functioning opt-out mechanisms or did not contain any opt-out mechanisms;

-failed to identify the e-mail as an advertisement or solicitation; and

-failed to provide the sender?s valid physical postal address. "



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[ytcracker]

Originally Posted by candyflip

You don't think that being named as a defendant and having a direct association with all that is going down warrents them being "part of the hullabaloo"?

reflected recently changed hands into totally new management

they dont have shit to do with this anymore

[FightThisPatent]

Yahoo (AP news) covering the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._te/adult_spam



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[Mutt]

Originally Posted by LeeNoga

This really blows for those that were served, their legal bills are going to be astronomical.

yes it really blows when the law catches up to scammers and criminals.

no wonder this industry is a mess. i really feel for the honest companies whose bottom line is half of what it should be due to the riff raff.

[Shannon G]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

From the FTC PR. given the charges against the company, it also makes for a quick primer on the Don'ts of email soliciations:


"The complaint also charges that the defendants violated the CAN-SPAM Act by sending e-mail or procuring third parties to send e-mail that:

-contained false or misleading transmission information;

-contained deceptive subject headings;

-failed to contain functioning opt-out mechanisms or did not contain any opt-out mechanisms;

-failed to identify the e-mail as an advertisement or solicitation; and

-failed to provide the sender?s valid physical postal address. "



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lol - so were they bothering to do ANYTHING compliant?? Although, I suppose SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: can be a pretty tough one to spell.

[sweetcuties]

Um, here's an idea... don't spam and terminate ANY affiliate who does! To many people turn an eye because of this " in crowd" shit.

Just my opinion. I don't care if you agree or disagree

[abadfish]

Am I the only one that thinks this is a good thing? Does anyone really like spam? (Besides spammers) and I don't think its appropriate for adult spam anyways...

[Nismo]

Wow. I just turned on CNN Headline News and the first story I see is this one. This shit is gonna be huge and most likely the first of many.

[Manowar]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/11/news..._spam/?cnn=yes

[SetTheWorldonFire]

dayum... that's gotta suck

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by ytcracker

reflected recently changed hands into totally new management

they dont have shit to do with this anymore

Maybe not anymore, but they played a big role in the entire operation. I don't think a change in management is going to cover them here.

The business was directly associated with what was going on. They will be caught up in all this whether you think they will or not.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by sweetcuties

Um, here's an idea... don't spam and terminate ANY affiliate who does!

many sponsors have it in their TOS about a no-spamming tolerance, but some affiliates still do it.

For sponsors, be sure to check your TOS and to show you have a zero tolerance, otherwise you could be condoning the actions and be held just as liable.

Earthlink is very aggressive, going to the point of subpeonaing credit card processors for their clients info to track down spam.

Earthlink vs. John Does is the court filing against spammers:
http://www.earthlink.net/about/press/pr_AllianceFAS/



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[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by ytcracker

reflected recently changed hands into totally new management

they dont have shit to do with this anymore

Thats like standard procedure now aint it?

Something gets fucked up its time for "New Management".
Thats what they all say.

[TKoProductions]

dayum, this thread's exploding, i better get my sig placement in quick!

the only reason that this topic is attracting as much attention as it has, is because of the large percentage of folks in this industry that spam themself.

truth = sad

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by TKoProductions

dayum, this thread's exploding, i better get my sig placement in quick!

the only reasone that this topic is attracting as much attention as it has, is because of the large percentage of folks in this industry that spam themself.

Well...that, or the fact that the owners were on this board a few days ago calling this nothing but lies and saying that all was well in Signup4CashLand.