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Lukeisback · 04-28-2005, 06:14 PM

Ira Rothken is an attorney for AFF and Cams.com.

www.lukeisback.com

I call him Thursday afternoon.

Ira: "I have represented Friendfinder since the inception of that company. I have represented Steamray since Lars' involvement with this industry. I can assure you that tremendous steps have been taken historically and passionately, whenever it came to anybody's attention that there was any type of material that was inappropriate on those sites, to come down.

"Every single person who has ever appeared through Steamray's cams, we have full and total 2257 compliance. We have pictures identification, licenses, for every single person who has performed."

Luke: "It appears from the site that anyone can sign up and start streaming on there."

Ira: "No. To stream through Steamray, you have to fill out a contract and a model release. You have to say that you are over the age of 18 and that you warrant that everything you are doing is lawful in the jurisdiction that you are doing it. Furthermore, as a precondition for anyone to be able to stream ever, we have to have full 2257 documentation, which includes government-issued picture identification. That applies wherever you are located in the world.

"It's a slow process. It's a tremendous barrier to entry -- the enormous effort [to put together] those materials. If you don't put together those materials, you don't stream. We have a database that tracks all that. We have back-ups located in other states in case that database ever gets corrupted and we have to provide that to a governmental entity."

Luke: "Wouldn't it be easy to send in fake documentation?"

Ira: "That's something that would plague the industry as a whole. I don't know a way around that unless we get DNA samples. The legal requirement isn't perfection because nobody could ever be perfect. I can tell you that we make a good-faith attempt. It is possible for someone to commit fraud on us but I can't imagine that being any rational-legal standard. If it is, then it is statistically likely that one person has committed such fraud against every major adult company in the world. But we don't know of anyone, and if we did, we would immediately remove their ability to stream."

Luke: "What about AFF? Can't anyone just put up naked pictures without 2257 [paperwork]?"

Ira: "With AFF, we have contractual warranties from every person who posts that they are over 18 and they not committing any unlawful acts. For many, but not all, we have other types of age verification mechanisms.

"We have looked at the case law and for dating services, they are different than, say, Streamray. Dating services are not creating a performance. It's not like creating an adult video.

"It would make a dating site for adults difficult to maintain if it was a condition before proceeding that there had to be 2257 compliance.

"It's something we're looking at. If it ever came to our attention that that was a requirement for entry to a dating site, where we are an enabling device, we would do it."

Fletch XXX · 04-28-2005, 06:17 PM

reading it

Elli · 04-28-2005, 07:18 PM

Yep, I had to send in my info and jump through hoops with ID and whatnot when I signed up to have a cam stream a while ago. Definitely a thorough process.

OzMan · 04-28-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli

Yep, I had to send in my info and jump through hoops with ID and whatnot when I signed up to have a cam stream a while ago. Definitely a thorough process.

Elli, I nominate you as Streamray's first "LIVE NUDE AFFILIATE SUPPORT REP"

I would be getting "problems" with my Streamray accout requiring your attention on an hourly basis.

Deal?

edit: but I know Lars would probably use Sean instead

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-28-2005, 07:28 PM

Luke...

This look familier?

Disclaimer: This website contains adult material, all members and persons appearing on this site have contractually represented to us that they are 18 years of age or older.

Look bro if ya need dirt just call around like ya do porn directors...
There is plenty of neat stuff happening but barkin on the wrong tree I really wish ya had messaged me before making that thread yesterday.

Sosa · 04-28-2005, 07:45 PM

good stuff

vicki · 04-28-2005, 08:12 PM

The business is their livelihoods. It would be silly for a company that pulls in that kind of green to do anything but comply with the laws ...
and those guys are NOT silly

LadyMischief · 04-28-2005, 08:21 PM

Shut the hell up Luke. Always trying to cause shit, and 90% of it is about as honest and truthful as a guy standing on a streetcorner selling watches out of his coat.

Elli · 04-28-2005, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan

Elli, I nominate you as Streamray's first "LIVE NUDE AFFILIATE SUPPORT REP"

I would be getting "problems" with my Streamray accout requiring your attention on an hourly basis.

Deal?

edit: but I know Lars would probably use Sean instead

hahah Well do I always have to be nude? That could be a health hazard eventually.

SleazyDream · 04-28-2005, 08:39 PM

Ira rocks

EmporerEJ · 04-28-2005, 08:40 PM

Could somebody please fill me in on what the big "ah hah" is here????
Looks like something less than a profesional interview to me?

Looks like a whole lot of hypothetical "let's see if we can catch you say something we can make sound twisted."

Digipimp · 04-28-2005, 08:48 PM

you're still a fucktard

USA · 04-28-2005, 10:13 PM

Great stuff

kmanrox · 04-28-2005, 10:37 PM

i like Luke, but cummon, his writings are nothing but stuff about Jewish people... He's not even 'Jewish' by blood ... wannabe

jonesy · 04-28-2005, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukeisback

Luke: "Wouldn't it be easy to send in fake documentation?"

Ira: "That's something that would plague the industry as a whole. I don't know a way around that unless we get DNA samples. The legal requirement isn't perfection because nobody could ever be perfect. ."

have the application notarized.

theres up to 5 basic forms of ID that would cover this that most people have - 3 requirments for the app - 1 and 2 would be SS and Birth cert - 3rd pic ID state or gov issue -

inthestars · 04-28-2005, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli

Yep, I had to send in my info and jump through hoops with ID and whatnot when I signed up to have a cam stream a while ago. Definitely a thorough process.

How long did it take Elli? By 'jump through hoops' do you mean that they wanted fingerprints and things like that? I'd love more info, I have a cam girl information site called Webamworkers.com

inthestars · 04-28-2005, 11:00 PM

On ifriends.com, there were a few incidents in the past where people slipped through. I remember in '99 there was a case where a 14 year old girl was forced to participate in sex acts with a grown man and solo for Ifriends.com webcam shows.

J$tyle$ · 04-28-2005, 11:39 PM

Xenophage · 04-28-2005, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Damn those bitches are sexy !

Elli · 04-28-2005, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Damn those bitches are sexy !

Hell yes they are!

BlueWire · 04-28-2005, 11:51 PM

ugggh...not this again

Elli · 04-28-2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inthestars

How long did it take Elli? By 'jump through hoops' do you mean that they wanted fingerprints and things like that? I'd love more info, I have a cam girl information site called Webamworkers.com

It took as long as it took me to get my act together.

If you have access to copies of the right info, then you're laughing. If you have to dig it out of a safety deposit box or a secret drawer somewhere, then it could take a little longer.

Sean · 04-29-2005, 10:28 AM

love the ira

Elli · 04-29-2005, 11:31 AM

You and your politics, Sean.

pradaboy · 04-29-2005, 01:09 PM

So basically you're saying you stirred fake shit and AFF and StreamRay are tight companies?

Do you actually have any news?

04-28-2005, 06:14 PM	#1
Lukeisback Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	Adultfriendfinder, Cams.com Attorney Interview Ira Rothken is an attorney for AFF and Cams.com. www.lukeisback.com I call him Thursday afternoon. Ira: "I have represented Friendfinder since the inception of that company. I have represented Steamray since Lars' involvement with this industry. I can assure you that tremendous steps have been taken historically and passionately, whenever it came to anybody's attention that there was any type of material that was inappropriate on those sites, to come down. "Every single person who has ever appeared through Steamray's cams, we have full and total 2257 compliance. We have pictures identification, licenses, for every single person who has performed." Luke: "It appears from the site that anyone can sign up and start streaming on there." Ira: "No. To stream through Steamray, you have to fill out a contract and a model release. You have to say that you are over the age of 18 and that you warrant that everything you are doing is lawful in the jurisdiction that you are doing it. Furthermore, as a precondition for anyone to be able to stream ever, we have to have full 2257 documentation, which includes government-issued picture identification. That applies wherever you are located in the world. "It's a slow process. It's a tremendous barrier to entry -- the enormous effort [to put together] those materials. If you don't put together those materials, you don't stream. We have a database that tracks all that. We have back-ups located in other states in case that database ever gets corrupted and we have to provide that to a governmental entity." Luke: "Wouldn't it be easy to send in fake documentation?" Ira: "That's something that would plague the industry as a whole. I don't know a way around that unless we get DNA samples. The legal requirement isn't perfection because nobody could ever be perfect. I can tell you that we make a good-faith attempt. It is possible for someone to commit fraud on us but I can't imagine that being any rational-legal standard. If it is, then it is statistically likely that one person has committed such fraud against every major adult company in the world. But we don't know of anyone, and if we did, we would immediately remove their ability to stream." Luke: "What about AFF? Can't anyone just put up naked pictures without 2257 [paperwork]?" Ira: "With AFF, we have contractual warranties from every person who posts that they are over 18 and they not committing any unlawful acts. For many, but not all, we have other types of age verification mechanisms. "We have looked at the case law and for dating services, they are different than, say, Streamray. Dating services are not creating a performance. It's not like creating an adult video. "It would make a dating site for adults difficult to maintain if it was a condition before proceeding that there had to be 2257 compliance. "It's something we're looking at. If it ever came to our attention that that was a requirement for entry to a dating site, where we are an enabling device, we would do it."

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04-28-2005, 07:18 PM	#3
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04-28-2005, 07:28 PM	#5
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04-28-2005, 08:12 PM	#7
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04-28-2005, 08:39 PM	#10
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04-28-2005, 08:40 PM	#11
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04-28-2005, 10:37 PM	#14
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04-28-2005, 11:00 PM	#17
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04-28-2005, 11:51 PM	#21
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04-29-2005, 10:28 AM	#23
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04-29-2005, 11:31 AM	#24
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04-29-2005, 01:09 PM	#25
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