Honest question about the ASACP

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I know ya guys are going to score a few bucks for each .XXX domain purchase. I read a few things that the possiblity of 10 bucks per domain going to the ASACP.

Will there be a release as to where the monies will be utilised to safe guard our industry with Lobbying power?

Its a glorious opportunity to make such thing with an estimated 200 Million within the first 1yr of .xxx.

Where is it going to go?

[xclusive]

very fair question I think a group as powerful as that should have open books.

[3piece chicken Dinner]

Alien, I don't think the 10% figure is set aside for ASACP alone. 10% will be divided amongst multiple organizations. But with that said, it should still be a pretty penny in compaison to their current financial status. So I think your question is a very vaild one.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I am all for making a few bucks in this biz.

With .XXX I stand to make a large number of designs for adapters.
I am not to opposed to .XXX though I think it is bad timing.

Pandoras box is now open, I just hope the powers that gain from it take it to a level where our industry can get some Armor.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

LOL, this cracks me up...

"The Who Wants SF and LA to sink in the ocean" threads get more pops.

Nothing but pussies in this fucken industry.

Of course no one could remotly be concerned about this.

[kernelpanic]

Why would money from XXX go toward an industry lobby? Any industry lobby which speaks on behalf of the industry as a whole would be against XXX to begin with.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

LOL, this cracks me up...

"The Who Wants SF and LA to sink in the ocean" threads get more pops.

Nothing but pussies in this fucken industry.

Of course no one could remotly be concerned about this.

either that or no one likes you.

[WiredGuy]

Very good question. We're talking about a very large sum of money and as webmasters who would buy .xxx domains, I think we have a fair right to know where our money is going and where its being spent.

WG

[DWB]

I think it's a bad idea. We all know that any money made off of this will be going into personal pockets regardless of where it should go. Greed is an ugly thing. You can bet it will not be spent on us. In fact, it will probably never even be questioned as to where it is really going and how it is being spent.

[Matt 26z]

I've always wondered how many actual arrests have been made as a result of complaints originally sent to ASACP.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I know ya guys are going to score a few bucks for each .XXX domain purchase. I read a few things that the possiblity of 10 bucks per domain going to the ASACP.

Will there be a release as to where the monies will be utilised to safe guard our industry with Lobbying power?

Its a glorious opportunity to make such thing with an estimated 200 Million within the first 1yr of .xxx.

Where is it going to go?

Mark, let's be serious now. How can someone answer questions based on misinformation and/or rumor? Because really, you are not even getting the rumors right.

Why not issue valid questions? Serious questions that really need to be addressed . . . like will they step up to the plate and respond to the request made by Tom Himes when he asked anyone that may have written a letter in favor of .xxx 2 years ago, and have rethought their position?

That would be a serious question. Yours were nonsense.

[stev0]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

I've always wondered how many actual arrests have been made as a result of complaints originally sent to ASACP.

Probably not too many... you think anyone is dumb enough to run CP sites out of countries that do something about it?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Very good question. We're talking about a very large sum of money and as webmasters who would buy .xxx domains, I think we have a fair right to know where our money is going and where its being spent.

WG

So you think they have been given forecasted donation numbers already, and they should already have a plan to spend it . . . like before it even happens?

So . . . is your advise is to spend money you don't have, or count your chickens before they are hatched?

I think I have a much better question, that no one has addressed yet for fear of being called sexist or homophobic, no one has said it if they are thinking it.

Can you guess what that question is? Do you think I will ask it?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I think it's a bad idea. We all know that any money made off of this will be going into personal pockets regardless of where it should go. Greed is an ugly thing. You can bet it will not be spent on us. In fact, it will probably never even be questioned as to where it is really going and how it is being spent.

Spent on us? Are you suggesting that it should be spent on us?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in699177.shtml

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=229750

http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/xxx.htm



IFFOR CHARTER
IFFOR will be the delegated policy-formulation body for the proposed TLD. In
carrying out its policy formulation, it will:
° promote the adoption and usage of the .xxx TLD and .xxx Charter within the
Community;
° promote the development of responsible business conduct within the Community
that will be incorporated into the registrant agreement of all .xxx domain
names via a Declaration of Best Business Practices;
° foster communication between the Community and other Internet stakeholders;
° promote the principles set forth in the United Nations Declaration of Human
Rights related to free expression;
° protect the privacy and security of consenting adult consumers of online
adult entertainment goods and services;
° promote the development of business practices to safeguard children online
and combat child pornography;
° seek out and support informed participation in IFFOR that reflects the
functional, geographic, and cultural diversity of both the Community and
broader Internet stakeholders at all levels of policy-development and decision
making; and
° employ open and transparent policy-development mechanisms that (i) promote
well-informed decisions based on expert advice, and (ii) ensure those entities
most affected can assist in the policy-development process.


"To ensure openness and transparency, the bylaws of IFFOR have been modelled on ICANN?s own bylaws."

So far I only seen smoke and Mirrors regarding this "Transparency" including the altering/updating of news documents and press releases.

We're talkin about alot of fucken money here and we do not even know where its going, and I do not see one fucking thing that would put a lobby out to protect us in any of it.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I would suppose the ASaCP will not be getting any funding?

Funny I remember reading press releases about it, then it went black from there and a couple days later comes the press releases saying NO AFFILIATION.

It would have been a glorious moment to think about the opportunity if the FSC or AsACP actually owned up to getting involved in shaping our new home known as .XXX.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I would suppose the ASaCP will not be getting any funding?

Funny I remember reading press releases about it, then it went black from there and a couple days later comes the press releases saying NO AFFILIATION.

It would have been a glorious moment to think about the opportunity if the FSC or AsACP actually owned up to getting involved in shaping our new home known as .XXX.

It looks like English, but I have no idea what you just said.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Awright Translation...
WHY THE FUCK NOT arent they involved then?
If they are, lets have it.

If they are not..
WHY NOT?

Where is the money going to go?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ht=ASACP+bucks
And here:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ht=ASACP+bucks


"2. ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies."

Thats "Gray". So it leads to the same questions I am asking.It should be the same question EVERYONE should be asking.

Wag the dog story is...
2257...
So here is the real story.

[TheDoc]

Who really cares? Someone has to make money on it.. If I had the chance I would take the bank role on it.

.xxx isn't going to change a damn thing. It's just another way for us to make money.

[Aly]

As has been stated numerous times in the last two weeks, the information about 10% of .XXX going to ASACP is incorrect; that means - NOT TRUE. Various child protection associations including ASACP will apply for grants from IFFOR.

Cheers.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

As has been stated numerous times in the last two weeks, the information about 10% of .XXX going to ASACP is incorrect; that means - NOT TRUE. Various child protection associations including ASACP will apply for grants from IFFOR.

Cheers.

But they will accept money.
This is not just about ASaCP. ASaCP is nearly the only Organisation to be mentioned to participate or accept money from IFFOR.

WHERE IS THE FUCKING mONEY GOING?

If this is something that we all are going to use, every registration is a vote.
That vote means that money should help our industry not line pockets.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Especially when the activation of XXX puts our industries availability to the public at risk of political agenda.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Very good question. We're talking about a very large sum of money and as webmasters who would buy .xxx domains, I think we have a fair right to know where our money is going and where its being spent.

WG

Not sure who would buy them and why? seems like a waste of money to me

[tony286]

considering they changed their name to :Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection so its no longer adult sites fighting CP and the head of that org sent a letter applauding the efforts of the icm to icann . What do you think the true answer would be lol

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

2000 registrations at $60 Per - $120,000
5000 registrations at $60 Per - $300,000
10,000 registrations at $60 Per - $600,000

Within the first week we can expect over 10,000 registrations easily.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Also within the first 6 months you can expect people in government will release plans that will begin forcing us to XXX.

And by then .xxx will have generated over $4.8M

[tony286]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Also within the first 6 months you can expect people in government will release plans that will begin forcing us to XXX.

they are working on that now as we speak

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by tony404

they are working on that now as we speak

I know
So even 1M would help protect the industry or stave off attempts to coral us into the XXX therefore blocking freedom of speech.

End game .xxx heads get bigger while we all suffer more censorship. Those heads should build a war chest to defend us from censorship.
And so far Nadda data about this.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I know
So even 1M would help protect the industry or stave off attempts to coral us into the XXX therefore blocking freedom of speech.

End game .xxx heads get bigger while we all suffer more censorship. Those heads should build a war chest to defend us from censorship.
And so far Nadda data about this.

I think they are postioning themselves away from us to tell you the truth.You cant get the really big donations if your attached to adult.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Tony404, that means they are not really part of this industry then yet the proclaimation that they are is a farce.

[Aly]

Originally Posted by tony404

considering they changed their name to :Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection so its no longer adult sites fighting CP and the head of that org sent a letter applauding the efforts of the icm to icann . What do you think the true answer would be lol

Hey Tony, actually that was done for a very good reason that really helps the mission of the organization. You see, other organizations like the NCMEC and so on didn't want to cooperate with ASACP because it referred to adult sites... and only because of that. So the name was changed because it helps ASACP do what it does better. Granted, ASACP could've said fuck you and kept on with what it was doing, but getting in good with these mainstream organizations makes a huge difference in ASACPs effectiveness in fighting CP.

I totally understand your issue with changing the name though. Politically I felt dodgey about it too, but ASACP isn't a political organization, it exists to fight CP and must do whatever it needs to to do that.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

And no one gives a fuck...

LOL!
We deserve everything that comes to us.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Hey Tony, actually that was done for a very good reason that really helps the mission of the organization. You see, other organizations like the NCMEC and so on didn't want to cooperate with ASACP because it referred to adult sites... and only because of that. So the name was changed because it helps ASACP do what it does better. Granted, ASACP could've said fuck you and kept on with what it was doing, but getting in good with these mainstream organizations makes a huge difference in ASACPs effectiveness in fighting CP.

I totally understand your issue with changing the name though. Politically I felt dodgey about it too, but ASACP isn't a political organization, it exists to fight CP and must do whatever it needs to to do that.

In all respect Aly Bullshit , the money that funded Asacp was adult, the sponsors are adult. Asacp showed Adult sites cared about fighting cp and if other orgs had a problem with that, then the answer isnt to pull away from adult but get in the papers and on tv and talk about how these people dont want to team together to fight cp .THe letter to icann was another shot against us. The only thing the name change shows is they can go afterbigger money. They used us for what they needed and now its time to move to the big bucks. It sucks and shame on you for supporting their current actions.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Also within the first 6 months you can expect people in government will release plans that will begin forcing us to XXX.

And by then .xxx will have generated over $4.8M

The US gov isn't going to try and push adult sites to .xxx. The US isn't the only country in the world. It would have to be someone like ICANN. Then with that all the legal issues it would create.. This would get locked up in court real fast..

So don't worry.. The adult industry isn't changing over to .xxx. To do this they would need .xxx, .sex, .xxx1, etc.. To many domains, to many countries, to many country coded domains, etc..

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Stepping stones for profit.

ASaCP got money from this industry and then changed its name to a more "Prudent" agenda. God forbid that our industry should put word out to the public that we have a problem with CP as well, and put in efforts to fight it.

To Bad ASACP didnt stick to its guns to conveying to the public that Adult webmasters and our very foundations do not support the abuse of children.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Bullshit Doc...

You are an idiot to think that Government will not move in with this .xxx available to them.

Yes yes and lawyers will come in and it will become an "issue" and our industry will be broken and unable to protect itself (as usual). Thats what this is about. It can change with every registration to fund a proper defense.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I mean lets be fair.

the .xxx ticket was offered to FSC and the ASaCP and both organizations stepped aside. What would be wrong with them saying "Fuckit, we're doing this and we will help the industry since no one else will or has!".

Were they afraid webmasters would not rally behind them in the effort?
Cuz it seem's both times they both dodged the ticket. Leaving alot of money on the table to get this industry some political armor.

SHAmE on them really.

[Aly]

Originally Posted by tony404

In all respect Aly Bullshit , the money that funded Asacp was adult, the sponsors are adult. Asacp showed Adult sites cared about fighting cp and if other orgs had a problem with that, then the answer isnt to pull away from adult but get in the papers and on tv and talk about how these people dont want to team together to fight cp .THe letter to icann was another shot against us. The only thing the name change shows is they can go afterbigger money. They used us for what they needed and now its time to move to the big bucks. It sucks and shame on you for supporting their current actions.

Shame on me, indeed.
Shame on me for dedicating so much of my time to fight child sexual abuse.
Shame on me for successfully encouraging others to do so.
Shame on me for supporting efforts to clear the misperception that adult=CP.
Shame on me for not jumping on the conspiracy bandwagon to shoot off a few rounds with the rest of the cowboys.

What exactly do you expect ASACP to do with this 'bigger money' that it has 'used' you to acquire? To answer a few of the questions here... it's a non-profit organization that very successfully fights CP. It will use all the funds it has to continue that fight. What were you imagining exactly? Lavish parties? Villas in the South of France?

http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html

In addition to what is in this press release, it was initially some of the ASACP Sponsors who recommended the name change. They did not like the words "child pornography" since many people did not notice the word "AGAINST". These people were reading ' Adult Sites Child Pornography".

The letter to ICANN is an entirely seperate issue from the name change. I do not support .XXX and will attempt to encourage the ASACP board to write a retraction... I'm just one vote though.

[Shoehorn!]

Originally Posted by beemk

either that or no one likes you.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Well someone will be throwing Lavish parties with all the money from .XXX.

I hope I am invited.
.XXX can be a nightmare or a gift and it seems no one wants to take the money to build a warchest to defend us, and the ones that will take the money are in shadows.

This whole fucken thing smells like shit.

[Theo]

i'll be the first to state i won't register any .xxx domain ever

[Thurbs]

.xxx seems like it will be a wash to me. it's not like the bigtgps are going to drop all their bookmark traffic to go .xxx etc, so why worry.

if anything I think .xxx will become the new domain for banner farms, consoles, and type in redirects.

figure if you want to send traffic to tawneestone.com and you setup tawneestone.xxx and it just redirects with your link, probably get some good type in, and if you did PPC with sites like Google, maybe surfers would assume thats the official site since they probably have read about .xxx

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

i'll be the first to state i won't register any .xxx domain ever

Your a fucken moron if you dont.

Ya wont have a choice soon.

[Aly]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well someone will be throwing Lavish parties with all the money from .XXX.

I hope I am invited.

Can't argue with you there... and BTW, I like the theory of the income being used to protect the industry. I hadn't thought of that and I'm usually an optimist. I also think that's as likely as a snowball fight in Hell... and, as I mentioned... I'm optimistic!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I mean don't get me wrong I am not trying to bash .XXX, its already out of the box, the game is on, and its just fucken sad no Industry organization will take what was on the table.

.XXX is in some bad timing right now thats my only guff with the whole matter. I am dissapointed that no one will work with "The Shadow Men" to build us some protections from Censorship and being a government target.

We are always falling victim to the government because we wont save our own asses as an industry. This is an instrument that will give us that power, while leaving no choice about the matter.

Ya wanna play adult, fine then play like the rest of us cuz you wont have a choice.

[pornguy]

I think that the .xxx domains is a dpouble edge sword. It can be used the right way to help filter out adult for parents. But you also know that it will be used against us.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I know
So even 1M would help protect the industry or stave off attempts to coral us into the XXX therefore blocking freedom of speech.

End game .xxx heads get bigger while we all suffer more censorship. Those heads should build a war chest to defend us from censorship.
And so far Nadda data about this.

Sorry, maybe I missed something . . but is it written somewhere in the ASACP mission statement that they are here for our benefit?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Name another organization that moves to prevent damage to our industry from infiltrators?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Name another organisation that tries to defend us from government instigating censorship on us.

2 very KEY, founding positions and neither stepped up.
WHY?

The money to good?