An open letter to the ASACP Advisory Council - webmasters, feel free to agree or not

[baddog]

During the Hot Issues and Problems in Adult Internet seminar at Cybernet Expo in San Diego, Tom Hymes requested anyone who has, in the past couple of years, written a letter in support of .xxx, and has since decided that it is not as good an idea as originally thought, contact him at the FSC.

Joan Irvine was on the panel and is one of the people he was indirectly directing the request. Joan stated that she did not make decisions like that, and would have to be instructed to do so by the advisory council.

I approached Joan personally, and asked her the chances of her rescinding her support for .xxx - She again told me to talk to the advisory council. I have approached a couple of you personally (Aly, Holly), and now make a public request.

FSC has stated that there is nothing we have to benefit in the implementation of .xxx, and it does nothing to combat CP. So how about it?

I propose that the Advisory Coucil instruct Joan to approach the FSC and discuss what they can do to retract the implied support Joan made in her letter.

[Choker]

I suggest people show their support for no .xxx by joining the FSC and telling ASACP to start thinking about cleaning house a little.

[cherrylula]

great thread, I agree.

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by Choker

I suggest people show their support for no .xxx by joining the FSC and telling ASACP to start thinking about cleaning house a little.

Agreed.


FSC is the best tool we have to combat all the various threats to freedom.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Choker

I suggest people show their support for no .xxx by joining the FSC and telling ASACP to start thinking about cleaning house a little.

I guess you missed the point of this thread, and I am afraid that the wrong message is getting out.

This thread has nothing to do with the FSC, but instead is a thread where other voices can state their support of my suggestion that the advisory council direct Joan to contact the FSC and see how they can help, instead of saying we do not support .xxx, no matter what the letter sounds like.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Agreed.


FSC is the best tool we have to combat all the various threats to freedom.

That is not the point. Do you want the ASACP to rescind their support of .xxx? If so, speak up. If not, there are a few hundred thousand other threads here you can participate in.

[drctfiesta]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess you missed the point of this thread, and I am afraid that the wrong message is getting out.

This thread has nothing to do with the FSC, but instead is a thread where other voices can state their support of my suggestion that the advisory council direct Joan to contact the FSC and see how they can help, instead of saying we do not support .xxx, no matter what the letter sounds like.

[polish_aristocrat]

I think that .xxx should be fighted by any official and un-official means and it would be definitely great if all the adult industry supporting organizations, would be clearly against it.

[tony286]

I dont understand did she have board approval when she wrote the first letter?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess you missed the point of this thread, and I am afraid that the wrong message is getting out.

This thread has nothing to do with the FSC, but instead is a thread where other voices can state their support of my suggestion that the advisory council direct Joan to contact the FSC and see how they can help, instead of saying we do not support .xxx, no matter what the letter sounds like.

Joan needs to rescind her support of .xxx. FSC has already stated they are opposed to it. The best way to show ASACP that we do not support their stance is to not support them, and to support a organization that will fight it, ei the FSC. But yeah I understand your post, you are looking for industry players to tell Joan right here in this thread to reconsider their support of the .xxx. To be honest man ASACP has gotten a big black eye over this already, if they continue to support .xxx it will only get worse for them.

[pussyluver]

I do NOT support .xxx as a TLD.

I do not support the new 2257 laws. I believe they will lead to massive litigation and in the end cause harm to models and the industry.

I believe in the 1st and 14th amendments to the US constitution and suspect both subjects may be in violation of same.

I fully support the recomendation that ASACP withdraw its support of the .xxxTLD.

PL

[leedsfan]

I would like Joan to approach FSC to see what she can do to assist "dethroning the idea of .xxx", by whatever means she can. If that means stating categorically that she does not support .xxx so be it.

[Meloman]

I don't support .xxx

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by Choker

Joan needs to rescind her support of .xxx. FSC has already stated they are opposed to it. The best way to show ASACP that we do not support their stance is to not support them, and to support a organization that will fight it, ei the FSC. But yeah I understand your post, you are looking for industry players to tell Joan right here in this thread to reconsider their support of the .xxx. To be honest man ASACP has gotten a big black eye over this already, if they continue to support .xxx it will only get worse for them.

Last time this issue came up, ASACP posted some press release about how child porn is bad, so that's why they wrote a letter and are willing to take money from the company running .xxx. As if everyone in the industry isn't against child porn!

Most people will not say what they think, because they are scared. If you disagree with ASACP, you must be supporting the child pornographers. Just like if you disagree with Bush, you must support the terrorists.

[gage]

I do not support .xxx

I believe the advisory board should instruct Joan to rescind her support plus any other action that would prove the ASACP does not support .xxx

Thank you.

[baddog]

bump for a good cause

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

I dont understand did she have board approval when she wrote the first letter?

ASACP's mission statement did not apply, so Joan took it upon herself to applaud the idea of .xxx - Now she will not retract that statement unless directed to by the advisory council.

I have to admit that does not seem to make much sense.

[Mack]

Originally Posted by baddog

ASACP's mission statement did not apply, so Joan took it upon herself to applaud the idea of .xxx - Now she will not retract that statement unless directed to by the advisory council.

Hmmmmmm lemme take a quick look at the IDEA of .xxx .

Protecting children
This is not just a theoretical concern. Back in 2000, before Lawley got involved as president, ICM Registry applied to run the .xxx domain. But ICANN shot down the proposal.

It didn't take Congress long to get involved. At a hearing in February 2001, Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., demanded to know why ICANN didn't approve .xxx "as a means of protecting our kids from the awful, awful filth which is sometimes widespread on the Internet." Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., griped to a federal commission that .xxx was necessary to force adult Webmasters to "abide by the same standard as the proprietor of an X-rated movie theater." [/B]

-Wow no danger here huh?


Was that the Idea?


I think it would be a good idea to take away any implied support.

[Probono]

.xxx is a ghetto and I prefer not to be in a ghetto. If it is implemented we will be forced into it, after we are forced into .xxx they will start blocking it on a wholesale level in more than one country.

[baddog]

Okay, let me address some comments that have been sent to me via ICQ.

The point of this thread is to show the advisory council how webmasters feel. Individuals approaching them is one thing, but this thread should be 10 pages long. Otherwise, maybe they are right, people don't care.

I guess most of you are too young to understand what it is to be an activist, or to have learned how the system works.

Do you think ASACP is prepared to lose the support of every webmaster out there? .xxx isn't going to happen overnight, and if we don't support them I highly doubt they can survive while waiting for the .xxx dollars to get here.

Speak now, or forever hold your piece.

[Cavello]

I agree with you baddog

[3piece chicken Dinner]

Originally Posted by baddog

Speak now, or forever hold your piece.

OK , I'm with you here.

The nonprofit, run by representatives of adult Web sites, free-speech, privacy and child-advocacy concerns, would determine registration eligibility.

This quote is taken from HERE in the context of the article it implys that .xxx will have a Best Practices requirement. after reading the above mentioned quote.. It sure sounds like people may have to get the "good housekeeping seal" from ASACP in order to obtain their domains of choice. If someone had a long standing relationship with ASACP it seems like their requests might be approved a little quicker?

I am in no way implying that would happen. But indulge yourself and read the original article.

Your thoughts?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

This whole xxx thing would be great if it were done right.

So far its not looking like it.

If there is time to put it down...

God speed the moment.

Our industry needs regulation and the ability to protect itself via Lobby like every other industry. I do not see resources headin in that direction with this .xxx version.

[MikeHawk]

HEY FUCKERS SHOVING .XXX "TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN"...WHY NOT


.KIDS

INSTEAD OF


.XXX


you are so noble and want to help the children, then that is the domain you should be fighting for and paying people off for votes. Its not really about that is it? Its about Money and Control.....

People wake the fuck up and see what these turds are doing....with this .XXX

[abyss_al]

.xxx will NEVER go through... the US gov't has no abolute control in making the change... you guys are freaking out for no reason... ICANN will never make the change... it just doesn't make sense

[TDF]

i dont support .xxx

[SlickRick]

you know I was thinking of this the other day the best way for all this 2257 BULL shit to stop.
and not to issue the general public the .xxx extentions. but have the mega sites such as yahoo, google, msn, and all the other portals / search engines. those sites should extend an open hand as I would guess there are more adult natured sites that are on the net.

make the search engines comply instead of trying to get the adult webmaster community to comply (there has to be what 1 million adult webmasters in the US alone.)

example
www.google.xxx
www.yahoo.xxx
www.msn.xxx
etc etc.

thats just my opinion.

[Brujah]

Support of .XXX is one of the stupidest moves anyone will make. ASACP supporting it tells me that they're not very bright in the first place, or maybe they're brilliant and going where the money is. Another sell-out organization.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

This industry falls victim on both sides.

People taking advantage of it and people legislating against it ( For example COPA, 2257 V2 ). A body that Lobby's and fights and protects it is needed to thwart Law Makers that wish to Censor us, and Thieves that steel or scheme from us.

It has to end and we need the armor to defend ourselves.
We need somthing that legitamizes our industry not somthing that will basically gouge it making it weaker.

In all the paper's I have read there is no mention of implementing a lobby with monies generated from .XXX if it were to take effect. All I see is "Save the children".

People we can not even save ourselves...
Until we have protections and a revenue stream that perpetuates the protections.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

HEY FUCKERS SHOVING .XXX "TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN"...WHY NOT


.KIDS

INSTEAD OF


.XXX


you are so noble and want to help the children, then that is the domain you should be fighting for and paying people off for votes. Its not really about that is it? Its about Money and Control.....

People wake the fuck up and see what these turds are doing....with this .XXX

Thank you and it would be $10 a piece for the domain.

[SplitInfinity]

Interesting reading.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, let me address some comments that have been sent to me via ICQ.

The point of this thread is to show the advisory council how webmasters feel. Individuals approaching them is one thing, but this thread should be 10 pages long. Otherwise, maybe they are right, people don't care.

I guess most of you are too young to understand what it is to be an activist, or to have learned how the system works.

Do you think ASACP is prepared to lose the support of every webmaster out there? .xxx isn't going to happen overnight, and if we don't support them I highly doubt they can survive while waiting for the .xxx dollars to get here.

Speak now, or forever hold your piece.

I think they are already preparing for that with the name change.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by baddog

I propose that the Advisory Coucil instruct Joan to approach the FSC and discuss what they can do to retract the implied support Joan made in her letter.

I agree.. Frankly she should be fired for over stepping in the first place on something this important. I won't support the ASACP in any way shape or form until they retract their implied support.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

.xxx will NEVER go through... the US gov't has no abolute control in making the change... you guys are freaking out for no reason...

wake up.

if the goverment wants to start regulating Internet porn like any other industry, it will move foward (already has) and there wont be massive opposition to it either unless some big bucks step forward and buy some representation.

[3piece chicken Dinner]

The nonprofit, run by representatives of adult Web sites, free-speech, privacy and child-advocacy concerns, would determine registration eligibility.

This quote is taken from HERE in the context of the article it implys that .xxx will have a Best Practices requirement. after reading the above mentioned quote.. It sure sounds like people may have to get the "good housekeeping seal" from ASACP in order to obtain their domains of choice. If someone had a long standing relationship with ASACP it seems like their requests might be approved a little quicker?

I am in no way implying that would happen. But indulge yourself and read the original article.



For those who missed it the first time, or have their head in the sand.


Joan Please do the right thing and take back any implied support.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

This quote is taken from HERE in the context of the article it implys that .xxx will have a Best Practices requirement. after reading the above mentioned quote.. It sure sounds like people may have to get the "good housekeeping seal" from ASACP in order to obtain their domains of choice. If someone had a long standing relationship with ASACP it seems like their requests might be approved a little quicker?

I am in no way implying that would happen. But indulge yourself and read the original article.



For those who missed it the first time, or have their head in the sand.


Joan Please do the right thing and take back any implied support.

If they are going to have that kind of power do you really think , they are going to take back anything lol

[3piece chicken Dinner]

Originally Posted by tony404

If they are going to have that kind of power do you really think , they are going to take back anything lol

EXACTLY!!

This picture getting any clearer for anyone.

[abyss_al]

Originally Posted by jonesy

wake up.

if the goverment wants to start regulating Internet porn like any other industry, it will move foward (already has) and there wont be massive opposition to it either unless some big bucks step forward and buy some representation.

yeah.... it will go through.. like prohibition did right?

not sure if you know this.. but this was attempted years ago... and ICANN tured it down..

[AdultMegaCash]

Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, let me address some comments that have been sent to me via ICQ.

The point of this thread is to show the advisory council how webmasters feel. Individuals approaching them is one thing, but this thread should be 10 pages long. Otherwise, maybe they are right, people don't care.

I guess most of you are too young to understand what it is to be an activist, or to have learned how the system works.

Do you think ASACP is prepared to lose the support of every webmaster out there? .xxx isn't going to happen overnight, and if we don't support them I highly doubt they can survive while waiting for the .xxx dollars to get here.

Speak now, or forever hold your piece.

Good post Baddog.

I would like ASACP to change their stance on this issue and to contact the FSC and anyone else needed to make sure they are doing what is right for the adult industry.

After seeing their stance we stopped supporting ASACP each month as we've done for a long long time. This in no way means we are for CP, and we would do anything within our means to support someone trying to fight it. But, we will not support someone who has a finacial gain from something that would be a huge loss to many people within adult just in the name of fighting CP. There is a right and wrong way to go about it, so far it's been wrong.

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Good post Baddog.

I would like ASACP to change their stance on this issue and to contact the FSC and anyone else needed to make sure they are doing what is right for the adult industry.

After seeing their stance we stopped supporting ASACP each month as we've done for a long long time. This in no way means we are for CP, and we would do anything within our means to support someone trying to fight it. But, we will not support someone who has a finacial gain from something that would be a huge loss to many people within adult just in the name of fighting CP. There is a right and wrong way to go about it, so far it's been wrong.

ASACP...it wont be likely that they will change there stance, i feel bad for Joan, she is clearly not in charge here. Can you say "puppet show".....this is the "selling point" of this .XXX deal, they way they have it wrapped.

I must it is a slick attempt to sell a "dead dog" but so far its been slow goin on everyone catching on, good to see posts like these start to educate everyone out there to what is going on behind closed doors with our future.

Its just stinks so bad....

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

In all the paper's I have read there is no mention of implementing a lobby with monies generated from .XXX if it were to take effect. All I see is "Save the children".

Mark . . . how many times are you going to say this, and how many times do I have to ask you what makes you think ASACP would even entertain the notion of doing something to "lobby" for the adult industry? That is not their job, it is not what they do.

Why you think they have some obligation to us is beyond me. I suggest you have someone read and explain their mission statement to you as you obviously don't get it.

[xlogger]

Fuck .xxx!

Choker rules!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

If they are going to have that kind of power do you really think , they are going to take back anything lol

Tony . . . I have an agenda here, I will admit it.

#1. We tell the advisory council to instruct Joan to contact FSC, because it is her position that she can't do it without being told to do so by them (even though she had no problem making the comment in the first place).

#2. They do it, and Joan contacts the FSC and the retraction process begins, and we become avid supporters of ASACP.

or

#3. The ignore our request and then any support we may have had for ASACP goes right down the toilet, and they can say good-bye to any donations or support from the community . . . and I show you guys what I used to do for fun when I was kid.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

yeah.... it will go through.. like prohibition did right?

not sure if you know this.. but this was attempted years ago... and ICANN tured it down..

prohibition was a law for 13 yrs.

thanks for playing.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

ASACP...it wont be likely that they will change there stance, i feel bad for Joan, she is clearly not in charge here. Can you say "puppet show".....this is the "selling point" of this .XXX deal, they way they have it wrapped.

I must it is a slick attempt to sell a "dead dog" but so far its been slow goin on everyone catching on, good to see posts like these start to educate everyone out there to what is going on behind closed doors with our future.

Its just stinks so bad....

Out FUCKING standing man. Now if we can jsut find out who benifits the most financially from this deal. Yes I am pretty sure I know who you are.

[Matt 26z]

The US government will require .xxx and it will stand up in court just as soon as those filthy romance novels you see in the grocery store all have plain red covers on them.

[Donny]

ASACP's support of .xxx angers me. I'll never contribute a dime to them at any time in the future, unless they lose their ignorant stance on the TLD.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The US government will require .xxx and it will stand up in court just as soon as those filthy romance novels you see in the grocery store all have plain red covers on them.

Do the words "mere distribution" ring any bells with you?

[Donny]

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

ASACP's support of .xxx angers me. I'll never contribute a dime to them at any time in the future, unless they lose their ignorant stance on the TLD.

It also pisses me off that they changed their name from:

Adult Sites Against Child Porn

to

Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection


What? Are "adult sites" not "PC" enough for you? Fuck that! Don't expect our support if you're ashamed of us. Fuck you.

[titmowse]

bump for the night shift