Internext and AVN Expo, Vegas '06. 2 shows at the same time... Here's why. - GoFuckYourself.com

Aly · 08-01-2005, 05:46 PM

In January 2006, the Internext and AEE (AVN Expo) trade shows will both be located at the Sands Expo (Venetian) and run through (almost) the same dates.

Internext will run January 5-7.
AEE will run January 5-8.

The two shows will be held in separate halls that are very near to each other.

Feedback about these shows over the years, and specifically from last year?s show has varied considerably. Some people have pushed for the shows to be combined entirely into one, while others have expressed a preference to keep them as separate as possible. The one common interest, however, is in finding a way to bring Internext Exhibitors and Attendees more business opportunites.

Traditional adult brick and mortar businesses still clearly present a huge opportunity for expansion of the online/ new technology adult marketplace. The reality is that a large number of these businesses still don?t fully understand our marketplace and do not take full advantage of it. Many people in these businesses haven?t attended Internext in the past because it wasn?t convenient for them to do so and was a little overwhelming. Many of these businesses are not at all familiar with (for example) who the best hosting companies are and how to define that, how to best monetize traffic, how to take their content into the mobile marketplace? and so on.

Internext has been placed next to AEE (they all have to pass the Internext show to get to AEE) in order to encourage the growth of opportunities in both marketplaces. AEE show materials will include information and pointers about Internext and online/ new tech opportunities. There will also be a stronger push toward new technology in the AEE seminar program.

Exhibitors at each will have access to both shows, in order to encourage and facilitate business discussions. There will be special deals on badges to attend both shows.

For those few companies who have previously exhibited at both shows (and now face a logistical challenge) I encourage you to pick one show over the other for your exhibit, if you can. This isn?t about forcing people to rent and staff two booths. It will be challenging? I agree.

The venue will be crowded, as will the hotel. I encourage all concerned about that to book rooms early through Rose Tours (or anyone else with special rates).

Yes, the event will be really, really busy? Mayhem possibly!
(?but it might just create a few more business opportunities for those who attend.)

Let the ranting begin...! >>>>>>

Halcyon · 08-01-2005, 05:48 PM

Whew.... sounds crazy. Thanks for the AVN explanation, Aly!

Aly · 08-01-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Whew.... sounds crazy. Thanks for the AVN explanation, Aly!

You're welcome Hal! Perhaps you, me and tassy could just hideout in my suite for the duration... I promise to order pink champagne.

2HousePlague · 08-01-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

DILIGENTTREATISE

Let the ranting begin...! >>>>>>

it's not your fault --

2HP

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-01-2005, 05:56 PM

Whats is there to rant about?

Its the same middle finger comming from same regions.

Nothing new here.

08-01-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

it's not your fault --

2HP

This iis going to be pure chaos.... But we won't hold it against you Aly

Alky · 08-01-2005, 06:01 PM

so 2 shows with 1 pass... passes going to cost over 500 this go around?

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shermsshack

This iis going to be pure chaos.... But we won't hold it against you Aly

Thanks darling! I appreciate that! I'll be hiding in a corner somewhere... I actually can't breathe in crowds. <gulp!>

jonesy · 08-01-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

In January 2006, the Internext and AEE (AVN Expo) trade shows will both be located at the Sands Expo (Venetian) and run through (almost) the same dates.

Internext will run January 5-7.
AEE will run January 5-8.

almost?

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alky

so 2 shows with 1 pass... passes going to cost over 500 this go around?

Exhibitors will get their usual free passes, which will include both shows.

Attendees can get something called a 'SuperPass' (or words to that effect) if they want, which will be a discounted pass for both shows; or they can opt to just attend one show. The price for that hasn't been decided yet, but it won't be that much.

webgurl · 08-01-2005, 06:07 PM

Combining the two shows together is a foolish decision for many reasons .

I end off with too close for comfort

Once again thanks for notice Aly

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by webgurl

Combining the two shows together is a foolish decision for many reasons .

I end off with too close for comfort

Once again thanks for notice Aly

No problem. If you're ever inclined (and have the time

) to pass on thorough feedback, please don't hesitate. [email protected] Thanks!

LittleMack · 08-01-2005, 06:12 PM

Good deal, thanks for the info

Ycaza · 08-01-2005, 06:12 PM

personally this makes it easier for me

CyberAgeGary · 08-01-2005, 06:15 PM

Thanks for the email aly...

Gary

aimeesweet · 08-01-2005, 06:16 PM

Thanks Aly!

xoxo

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

Hello Aly,

Gary

...nevermind.. LOL EDIT

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aimeesweet

Thanks Aly!

xoxo

You're so hot.

Braincash Fred · 08-01-2005, 06:20 PM

Been five years that I attend both shows and I can say that it will be a fucking jungle...

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincash Fred

Been five years that I attend both shows and I can say that it will be a fucking jungle...

I agree.

Braincash Fred · 08-01-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Exhibitors will get their usual free passes, which will include both shows.

Attendees can get something called a 'SuperPass' (or words to that effect) if they want, which will be a discounted pass for both shows; or they can opt to just attend one show. The price for that hasn't been decided yet, but it won't be that much.

Also does it means that we gonna have regular customers in our Internext booth?

This I'm really not sure it's a good idea...

Jim_Gunn · 08-01-2005, 06:24 PM

Horrible idea to combine the two shows. This really sucks. I would rather be able to attend both shows seperately and utilize the networking and business opportunities they represent and give the show floor and parties and other activities from both conventions my full time and attention. I don't want to run back and forth between two shows and have to decide what's most important to me every day. I always attend both shows and I often share booth space at one show or both as part of my distributors booth. Combining these shows means less time for me to do business and network, less time have meetings and less time to enjoy my time in Vegas.

After Shock Media · 08-01-2005, 06:27 PM

Umm does this mean that the mobs of non industry people who attend AVN will be able to get into Internext?

If that is the case will there be "industry hours" each day?

Does this mean all the free shit I normally get will now go to some normal people?
Wait will we end up with 9000 new newbies?

Braincash Fred · 08-01-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Horrible idea to combine the two shows. This really sucks. I would rather be able to attend both shows seperately and utilize the networking and business opportunities they represent and give the show floor and parties and other activities from both conventions my full time and attention. I don't want to run back and forth between two shows and have to decide what's most important to me every day. I always attend both shows and I often share booth space at one show or both as part of my distributors booth. Combining these shows means less time for me to do business and network, less time have meetings and less time to enjoy my time in Vegas.

I also agree with you since I was barely getting enough time with both shows one after the other one to do all the biz possible there....

TheGoldenChild · 08-01-2005, 06:28 PM

AVN is the .XXX of our business

Now they want to ghettoize us into being with video porners-
So the next time Rob Black gets in trouble, or Max Hardcore gets indicted for something we'll be grouped in with them.

This seems fair to me-LOL
Funny thing is if the shoe were on the other foot, and video companies got grouped with us at Internext- would any video companies be scared that they can be in trouble for sending spam?

Of course not-
AVN wants to cover the entire industry with a PORN umbrella the way I see it, which is totally not the way to go-
For starters-Internext is a community of webmasters
AEE is a community of porn video companies and looky loos' who feed off the exploitation of women ( pornstars) to me they are the blue collar side of this industry-

Webmasters exploit surfers- not women. If anything, AVN should do a consumer web show where the end users are all surfers with Gold Credit cards that can sign up at any booth in Vegas to see whatever sites they wish to see.

Instead what you will be seeing are 5,000 guys with CES badges coming to scope out porn stars and not doing any business-

Aren't we as an industry out to better ourselves and make more money by ingratiating ourselves with more online adult companies?Why do we need to be side by side of porn video companies?

How many of these porn companies need a web presence?
I know many people who sell these adult companies' content to webmasters already.

Do they really think we are stupid enough to believe that a Red Light District Video or Anabolic needs to talk to us about more traffic to their websites?

It's absurd, it's bullshit, and I know even Aly smells something fishy about it.

Don't be a bunch of sheep- AVN is lying to you once again.

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincash Fred

Also does it means that we gonna have regular customers in our Internext booth?

This I'm really not sure it's a good idea...

NO. Consumers can buy their inexpensive pass to AEE, but not to Internext. To get into Internext they'd have to pay the regular fee of around $200, and invent a corporate identity for registration. They'll be strongly discouraged from getting in to Internext because (I agree) they wouldn't be good for the show.

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Umm does this mean that the mobs of non industry people who attend AVN will be able to get into Internext?

If that is the case will there be "industry hours" each day?

Does this mean all the free shit I normally get will now go to some normal people?
Wait will we end up with 9000 new newbies?

NO. No consumers.

Rui · 08-01-2005, 06:31 PM

thanks for the explanation, nevertheless its going to be hell to get tru all that mess (lots of events, shitloads of people, mega-overpriced "living costs") :S

After Shock Media · 08-01-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

NO. No consumers.

Ok that works.

Though I am mighty upset that AVN has now cut my paid vacation to 3 days. I really liked getting a week off.

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Ok that works.

Though I am mighty upset that AVN has now cut my paid vacation to 3 days. I really liked getting a week off.

Yeah... sorry about that!

Brad Mitchell · 08-01-2005, 06:38 PM

I love Aly. However, I am not pleased with AVN's decision.

Decent spin, I hope for AVN's sake that they are right and it is a better decision. If it's a clusterfuck at the hotel, if AVN pisses off it's exhibitors and attendees, it really just creates more opportunity for the other smaller venues throughout the year. (fingers crossed)

Cheers,

Brad

Aly · 08-01-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I love Aly. However, I am not pleased with AVN's decision.

Decent spin, I hope for AVN's sake that they are right and it is a better decision. If it's a clusterfuck at the hotel, if AVN pisses off it's exhibitors and attendees, it really just creates more opportunity for the other smaller venues throughout the year. (fingers crossed)

Cheers,

Brad

...Which would be okay, because then we'd also have more opportunities to dip into that chocolate fondue fountain in Phoenix...!

But hey, maybe, just maybe you'll bump into (literally most likely) a few new people looking for hosting and an alternative billing solution...?

...It could happen. Just remember to bring an extra bottle of Advil this time.

jezebelz · 08-01-2005, 06:44 PM

This will make things a cluster fuck FO SHO ... Just means I'll be spending more time in the poker room at The Bellagio

Brad Mitchell · 08-01-2005, 06:46 PM

I'm going to need a lot of RedBull and vodka and a maybe a bodyguard or some handlers if we're going to be mixing with consumers in the Ventian for a week. LOL Oy vay!

Brad

TheGoldenChild · 08-01-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I'm going to need a lot of RedBull and vodka and a maybe a bodyguard or some handlers if we're going to be mixing with consumers in the Ventian for a week. LOL Oy vay!

Brad

Not me- I'll be in a friends condo kickin' it.
I have learned my lesson.

I only go to tradeshows when I don't have to pay for them-
And even then , I wouldn't want to gouge my customers and have them pay AVN's prices.

They couldn't afford to have me around for too long after shelling out that kind of money-

That's why I always say I am the best alternative to buying an ad in AVN magazine- for one, I see and talk to more peopl ethan they reach in a month-
and I get a lot of results for my clients

When is the last time someone did a huge deal with you and said they found you in AVN Magazine?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Jace · 08-01-2005, 06:53 PM

wow, i have a feeling the seperation for both shows on the consumer end won't happen easily...porn comsumers are smart, and once they find out there is a way to get into the business side of thing, they will stop at nothing to make it happen

i have been unhappy with AVN's way of doing things the past few months...but I can honestly say with 100% confidence, that AVN is going to fuck up our industry if they keep heading in the course they are.....terrible decisions are being made and not one large advertiser/sponsor is doing a thing about it, they just keep paying avn and keep flocking to their "conventions"

while I think it would be nice to see all the internext people while I am cruising AVN, i think it is fucking idiotic to do the two shows right next door...at least give some space between them and make it seem like you aren't trying to let consumers in

here is a piece of advice for those attending avnternext 2006 though....make your booth consumer friendly, cause you will be seeing more retail shoppers than ever before...in fact I would not be suprised if retail shoppers/consumers out weigh the industry folks at the end of the day

RawAlex · 08-01-2005, 07:19 PM

I think about 7 days from now when we are all "debriefing" from Miami, we will all have a better idea if AVN's great new ideas are great and or new.

Alex

tony286 · 08-01-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

wow, i have a feeling the seperation for both shows on the consumer end won't happen easily...porn comsumers are smart, and once they find out there is a way to get into the business side of thing, they will stop at nothing to make it happen

i have been unhappy with AVN's way of doing things the past few months...but I can honestly say with 100% confidence, that AVN is going to fuck up our industry if they keep heading in the course they are.....terrible decisions are being made and not one large advertiser/sponsor is doing a thing about it, they just keep paying avn and keep flocking to their "conventions"

while I think it would be nice to see all the internext people while I am cruising AVN, i think it is fucking idiotic to do the two shows right next door...at least give some space between them and make it seem like you aren't trying to let consumers in

here is a piece of advice for those attending avnternext 2006 though....make your booth consumer friendly, cause you will be seeing more retail shoppers than ever before...in fact I would not be suprised if retail shoppers/consumers out weigh the industry folks at the end of the day

Very well said my friend

AdPatron · 08-01-2005, 07:30 PM

I like the idea. Means I can get business from both sides since I serve everyone but the surfer. Thanks Aly. I'll have a surprise gift for you at my booth.

D-Money · 08-01-2005, 07:35 PM

I'm not a part of Internext, won't be attending it either. But here's where things will get fucked up for the parties.

In the old days, a company promoting their party handed out passes to most of the webmasters that stop by their booth. Assuming it's all industry, you can give it to as many people as you can and hope to get 1000 to 2000 people to fill up your venue.

Now you're gonna see a ton of surfers mixed into the show floor. How do you know who to hand out passes to? You will offend lot's of smaller webmasters because now you have to screen each person and make sure they're all legit first. Extra time dealing with screening people, lot's of wasting time in my opinion.

Invite only parties will be the "in" thing and most of the industry won't be able to attend one legit webmaster party without having surfers to walk through.

Looking to throw a party? Food for thought.

inthestars · 08-01-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Exhibitors will get their usual free passes, which will include both shows.

Attendees can get something called a 'SuperPass' (or words to that effect) if they want, which will be a discounted pass for both shows; or they can opt to just attend one show. The price for that hasn't been decided yet, but it won't be that much.

What sort of passes are available for talent?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-01-2005, 07:45 PM

If the Industry segment depended on itself this wouldnt happen.

But since the Adult Internet Industry is more or less gimped and a colossal bunch of lazy dumb asses...

Suck the AVN cock and enjoy it.
Quit whinning.

I do not like AVN anymore than some of you, and I do not like the Adult Net as it stands. Its the mottliest bunch of retards I have ever seen in my life.

I been here 12 years and just now realising the facts that the Adult Net is a waste land of idiots. You people really deserve this shit maybe worse.

Matt Collins · 08-01-2005, 07:45 PM

I hesitate to pass judgment as I am sort of leaning toward what JoesTraffic says. I have never gotten near the AEE show, but maybe there are some business opportunities that I have missed because I got out of town before the show began.

Of course, like everyone else who has posted, I am concerned about "mingling with the surfers." However, I do think Aly is right that the price tag of Internext will probably keep most of the CES guys over in the AEE show.

Aly, I think AVN is definitely getting their money's worth from you in the challenges they are throwing your direction. Good luck-I think you're doing a great job!

Matt

the Shemp · 08-01-2005, 07:46 PM

i look at this as an opportunity to sell "shemp shirts" to the surfers

Fred Quimby · 08-01-2005, 07:47 PM

just what we need,,,,thousands of noobs wanting a piece of my pie.

SiMpLe · 08-01-2005, 07:49 PM

How to be in two places at once... Someone clone me!

Matt Collins · 08-01-2005, 07:49 PM

Hell Shemp, I'll buy one of those ultra cool shirts :-)

tony286 · 08-01-2005, 07:50 PM

I have a friend she works both shows, now she loses that sucks . I wonder have many other girls work both shows and now wont be able to.

RonC · 08-01-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I think about 7 days from now when we are all "debriefing" from Miami, we will all have a better idea if AVN's great new ideas are great and or new.

Alex

Alex

This is one of the Smartest things said so far.

Aly

Thanks for the answer. "Hint" Make sure you have that bus load of Cheerleaders ready so we can't all bitch about having to look at Sleazydream in a bathing suit all day

LOL

Ron C
CEO
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Cavecreek.com
DRMNeworks.com

brand0n · 08-01-2005, 07:52 PM

hey do you own a website?

me eather!

08-01-2005, 05:46 PM	#1
Aly President, ePufferProfits Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,881	Internext and AVN Expo, Vegas '06. 2 shows at the same time... Here's why. In January 2006, the Internext and AEE (AVN Expo) trade shows will both be located at the Sands Expo (Venetian) and run through (almost) the same dates. Internext will run January 5-7. AEE will run January 5-8. The two shows will be held in separate halls that are very near to each other. Feedback about these shows over the years, and specifically from last year?s show has varied considerably. Some people have pushed for the shows to be combined entirely into one, while others have expressed a preference to keep them as separate as possible. The one common interest, however, is in finding a way to bring Internext Exhibitors and Attendees more business opportunites. Traditional adult brick and mortar businesses still clearly present a huge opportunity for expansion of the online/ new technology adult marketplace. The reality is that a large number of these businesses still don?t fully understand our marketplace and do not take full advantage of it. Many people in these businesses haven?t attended Internext in the past because it wasn?t convenient for them to do so and was a little overwhelming. Many of these businesses are not at all familiar with (for example) who the best hosting companies are and how to define that, how to best monetize traffic, how to take their content into the mobile marketplace? and so on. Internext has been placed next to AEE (they all have to pass the Internext show to get to AEE) in order to encourage the growth of opportunities in both marketplaces. AEE show materials will include information and pointers about Internext and online/ new tech opportunities. There will also be a stronger push toward new technology in the AEE seminar program. Exhibitors at each will have access to both shows, in order to encourage and facilitate business discussions. There will be special deals on badges to attend both shows. For those few companies who have previously exhibited at both shows (and now face a logistical challenge) I encourage you to pick one show over the other for your exhibit, if you can. This isn?t about forcing people to rent and staff two booths. It will be challenging? I agree. The venue will be crowded, as will the hotel. I encourage all concerned about that to book rooms early through Rose Tours (or anyone else with special rates). Yes, the event will be really, really busy? Mayhem possibly! (?but it might just create a few more business opportunities for those who attend.) Let the ranting begin...! >>>>>> __________________ . . Aly's ICQ: 51504163 . Aly's Email: [email protected]

08-01-2005, 05:48 PM	#2
Halcyon Spread The Pink! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: TrampStampStudios.com Posts: 8,609	Whew.... sounds crazy. Thanks for the AVN explanation, Aly! __________________ HAL on TEDx:

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Whats is there to rant about? Its the same middle finger comming from same regions. Nothing new here. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-01-2005 at 05:57 PM..

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LittleMack www.pornkings.com Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Baby!! Posts: 4,645	Good deal, thanks for the info __________________ [email protected]

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Ycaza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the 805 Posts: 4,290	personally this makes it easier for me __________________ Caz Thrush Head Honcho [email protected] http://thrushtech.com ICQ: 304883574 do people still icq?

08-01-2005, 06:01 PM	#7
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	so 2 shows with 1 pass... passes going to cost over 500 this go around?

08-01-2005, 06:07 PM	#11
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,949	Combining the two shows together is a foolish decision for many reasons . I end off with too close for comfort Once again thanks for notice Aly

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CyberAgeGary Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,869	Thanks for the email aly... Gary __________________ 13 solid years strong. http://www.CyberAge.com-http://www.CyberSexNetwork.com http://www.UGAS.com-http://www.NastyCash.com. Tri-Tech Internet Services. We are here for you! Email For Info

08-01-2005, 06:16 PM	#16
aimeesweet Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,917	Thanks Aly! xoxo

08-01-2005, 06:20 PM	#19
Braincash Fred Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,589	Been five years that I attend both shows and I can say that it will be a fucking jungle...

08-01-2005, 06:24 PM	#22
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Horrible idea to combine the two shows. This really sucks. I would rather be able to attend both shows seperately and utilize the networking and business opportunities they represent and give the show floor and parties and other activities from both conventions my full time and attention. I don't want to run back and forth between two shows and have to decide what's most important to me every day. I always attend both shows and I often share booth space at one show or both as part of my distributors booth. Combining these shows means less time for me to do business and network, less time have meetings and less time to enjoy my time in Vegas. __________________ Jim Gunn Filming Cinematic Porn Skype JimGunnProductions

08-01-2005, 06:27 PM	#23
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Umm does this mean that the mobs of non industry people who attend AVN will be able to get into Internext? If that is the case will there be "industry hours" each day? Does this mean all the free shit I normally get will now go to some normal people? Wait will we end up with 9000 new newbies? __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

08-01-2005, 06:28 PM	#25
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	AVN is the .XXX of our business Now they want to ghettoize us into being with video porners- So the next time Rob Black gets in trouble, or Max Hardcore gets indicted for something we'll be grouped in with them. This seems fair to me-LOL Funny thing is if the shoe were on the other foot, and video companies got grouped with us at Internext- would any video companies be scared that they can be in trouble for sending spam? Of course not- AVN wants to cover the entire industry with a PORN umbrella the way I see it, which is totally not the way to go- For starters-Internext is a community of webmasters AEE is a community of porn video companies and looky loos' who feed off the exploitation of women ( pornstars) to me they are the blue collar side of this industry- Webmasters exploit surfers- not women. If anything, AVN should do a consumer web show where the end users are all surfers with Gold Credit cards that can sign up at any booth in Vegas to see whatever sites they wish to see. Instead what you will be seeing are 5,000 guys with CES badges coming to scope out porn stars and not doing any business- Aren't we as an industry out to better ourselves and make more money by ingratiating ourselves with more online adult companies?Why do we need to be side by side of porn video companies? How many of these porn companies need a web presence? I know many people who sell these adult companies' content to webmasters already. Do they really think we are stupid enough to believe that a Red Light District Video or Anabolic needs to talk to us about more traffic to their websites? It's absurd, it's bullshit, and I know even Aly smells something fishy about it. Don't be a bunch of sheep- AVN is lying to you once again. __________________

08-01-2005, 06:31 PM	#28
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	thanks for the explanation, nevertheless its going to be hell to get tru all that mess (lots of events, shitloads of people, mega-overpriced "living costs") :S

08-01-2005, 06:38 PM	#31
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,730	I love Aly. However, I am not pleased with AVN's decision. Decent spin, I hope for AVN's sake that they are right and it is a better decision. If it's a clusterfuck at the hotel, if AVN pisses off it's exhibitors and attendees, it really just creates more opportunity for the other smaller venues throughout the year. (fingers crossed) Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 69 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

08-01-2005, 06:44 PM	#33
jezebelz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: State Of Confusion Posts: 44	This will make things a cluster fuck FO SHO ... Just means I'll be spending more time in the poker room at The Bellagio

08-01-2005, 06:46 PM	#34
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,730	I'm going to need a lot of RedBull and vodka and a maybe a bodyguard or some handlers if we're going to be mixing with consumers in the Ventian for a week. LOL Oy vay! Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 69 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

08-01-2005, 06:53 PM	#36
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	wow, i have a feeling the seperation for both shows on the consumer end won't happen easily...porn comsumers are smart, and once they find out there is a way to get into the business side of thing, they will stop at nothing to make it happen i have been unhappy with AVN's way of doing things the past few months...but I can honestly say with 100% confidence, that AVN is going to fuck up our industry if they keep heading in the course they are.....terrible decisions are being made and not one large advertiser/sponsor is doing a thing about it, they just keep paying avn and keep flocking to their "conventions" while I think it would be nice to see all the internext people while I am cruising AVN, i think it is fucking idiotic to do the two shows right next door...at least give some space between them and make it seem like you aren't trying to let consumers in here is a piece of advice for those attending avnternext 2006 though....make your booth consumer friendly, cause you will be seeing more retail shoppers than ever before...in fact I would not be suprised if retail shoppers/consumers out weigh the industry folks at the end of the day

08-01-2005, 07:19 PM	#37
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I think about 7 days from now when we are all "debriefing" from Miami, we will all have a better idea if AVN's great new ideas are great and or new. Alex

08-01-2005, 07:30 PM	#39
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	I like the idea. Means I can get business from both sides since I serve everyone but the surfer. Thanks Aly. I'll have a surprise gift for you at my booth.

08-01-2005, 07:35 PM	#40
D-Money Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Player Del Ray Posts: 9,716	I'm not a part of Internext, won't be attending it either. But here's where things will get fucked up for the parties. In the old days, a company promoting their party handed out passes to most of the webmasters that stop by their booth. Assuming it's all industry, you can give it to as many people as you can and hope to get 1000 to 2000 people to fill up your venue. Now you're gonna see a ton of surfers mixed into the show floor. How do you know who to hand out passes to? You will offend lot's of smaller webmasters because now you have to screen each person and make sure they're all legit first. Extra time dealing with screening people, lot's of wasting time in my opinion. Invite only parties will be the "in" thing and most of the industry won't be able to attend one legit webmaster party without having surfers to walk through. Looking to throw a party? Food for thought. __________________ Still Ballin'

08-01-2005, 07:45 PM	#42
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	If the Industry segment depended on itself this wouldnt happen. But since the Adult Internet Industry is more or less gimped and a colossal bunch of lazy dumb asses... Suck the AVN cock and enjoy it. Quit whinning. I do not like AVN anymore than some of you, and I do not like the Adult Net as it stands. Its the mottliest bunch of retards I have ever seen in my life. I been here 12 years and just now realising the facts that the Adult Net is a waste land of idiots. You people really deserve this shit maybe worse. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-01-2005 at 07:47 PM..

08-01-2005, 07:45 PM	#43
Matt Collins Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,060	I hesitate to pass judgment as I am sort of leaning toward what JoesTraffic says. I have never gotten near the AEE show, but maybe there are some business opportunities that I have missed because I got out of town before the show began. Of course, like everyone else who has posted, I am concerned about "mingling with the surfers." However, I do think Aly is right that the price tag of Internext will probably keep most of the CES guys over in the AEE show. Aly, I think AVN is definitely getting their money's worth from you in the challenges they are throwing your direction. Good luck-I think you're doing a great job! Matt __________________ Check out Globally Translated!-Translate your sites and join the global economy! MattLaw -The law firm for webmasters and site owners! ICQ: 254-829-586 Who is this Matt guy? Check out the Ambush Interview

08-01-2005, 07:46 PM	#44
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,883	i look at this as an opportunity to sell "shemp shirts" to the surfers __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

08-01-2005, 07:47 PM	#45
Fred Quimby Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 5,430	just what we need,,,,thousands of noobs wanting a piece of my pie. __________________

08-01-2005, 07:49 PM	#46
SiMpLe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Porn Central - California Posts: 3,221	How to be in two places at once... Someone clone me! __________________ Sean Holland Vice President OrbitalPay / Global Electronic Technology (GET) SKYPE: iam.sean ::: sholland at orbitalpay.com 888-775-1500

08-01-2005, 07:50 PM	#48
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I have a friend she works both shows, now she loses that sucks . I wonder have many other girls work both shows and now wont be able to.

08-01-2005, 07:52 PM	#50
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,984	hey do you own a website? me eather! __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.