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[Labret] · 03-26-2002, 02:06 PM

Sorry KK, dont hate me, it would get out eventually.

I know some seriously bummin people. ahahaha

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Subject: IMPORTANT VISA NOTIFICATION! PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY
Importance: High

1501 W. 17th Street

Tempe, Arizona 85281
(480) 449-7750 Fax (480) 449-8814

IMPORTANT ? Please read immediately!

March 25, 2002

Dear Webmaster:

Attached is a copy of a letter we received from Visa stating that they will
no longer accept Visa cards as payment for beastiality sites. Please note
that their decision is effective immediately. Although we regret having to,
CCBill must, as a result of Visa?s decision and other potential legal
problems associated with processing billing for beastiality sites, cancel
our agreement to provide service to you. We will continue to accept new
member sign-ups until 2:00 PM Mountain time on Thursday, March 28, 2002.

Even though your site will still be accessible to existing members until
their subscriptions expire, because there is a potential for an unusually
large amount of chargebacks and/or refunds, CCBill is holding all funds due
you for a minimum of 6 months. Once we are satisfied that there is no
further chargeback activity, we will send you the remaining balance.

While we have tried to find another way for you to continue processing, we
have been unable to do so. I appreciate your business in the past, and again
regret having to take this action. Please contact Frank Cadwell at (480)
449-7760 between the hours of 11:00 AM and 4:00 PM Mountain time if you have
any questions.

Very truly yours,

Ron

Ron Cadwell

vegasdude · 03-26-2002, 02:08 PM

boneprone · 03-26-2002, 02:11 PM

Nothing wrong with giving rights back to the animals.
The animal Union has power, these billing companies better recognize.

[Labret] · 03-26-2002, 02:12 PM

I am the top of the food chain.

Animals have the right to be eaten and fucked. Or fucked then eaten... either way.

vegasdude · 03-26-2002, 02:14 PM

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either way.......

we are fucked

[Labret] · 03-26-2002, 02:21 PM

[Labret] · 03-26-2002, 02:22 PM

They dont want it associated with the Visa brand name.

They are NOT going to stop at beast.

Crazy shit. Bend over and get ready for the ass reaming.

NetRodent · 03-26-2002, 02:22 PM

Ok, if Visa won't let you process for a site that shows women with animals, will they still let you process for a site that shows naked women with big thick juicy steaks?

Or will we have to change all of our Beef-n-Babes sites over to
SoyBean-Sluts?

ElvisManson · 03-26-2002, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
They dont want it associated with the Visa brand name.

They are NOT going to stop at beast.

Crazy shit. Bend over and get ready for the ass reaming.

FUCK

The sky did fall.

boneprone · 03-26-2002, 02:28 PM

bow wow wow to the power.
Power of the Hoed out Dog.

The dog is tired of being fucked.

boneprone · 03-26-2002, 02:30 PM

what do they consider beast?
SOme of these sites are borderline.

I dont see how they catagorize one site beast and the other not

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Sorry KK, dont hate me, it would get out eventually.

Like I don't already? ;)

It's standard procedure when someone is terminated to hold funds for 180 days. If we were terminating an account for fraud or spam, etc. it would be the same thing.

Since there will be no more billing past Thursday, the sites will effectively have their doors closed to all new joins and rebills. As the month goes along, fewer people will rebill each day until after 30 days, there will be no more active members left in our databases for their sites.

Members do have access until the day they should have rebilled but that doesn't stop them from getting pissed that there is no more site and deciding to charge back a few months memberships.

On a last note, we did indeed attempt to find someone out of the states willing to take the rebills and pay the site owners AND resellers per the CCBill setup. Unfortunately for our clients, it just didn't happen.

Lev · 03-26-2002, 02:35 PM

Visa bans bestality. Does this mean slaugther house for all those cows and pigs

Amputate Your Head · 03-26-2002, 02:36 PM

if a guy jerks off on a fur coat, is that considered "beast"?

sexxx · 03-26-2002, 02:36 PM

Kimmy Kim

Are ypu going to hold all money, inkluding all rebills and signups or just the reserves from the masteraccount holder??

Jakke PNG · 03-26-2002, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if a guy jerks off on a fur coat, is that considered "beast"?

NO! I'm not an animal-abuser. The minkcoat was already dead.
I think I have this animalnecrophilia.

boneprone · 03-26-2002, 03:07 PM

what about hobbits?

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if a guy jerks off on a fur coat, is that considered "beast"?

You jerk off on my fur coat, you won't have to worry about what you'll be called, other than dead ;)

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 03:17 PM

Oh and I do find it humorous all the little people who read this board and quote it elsewhere on the web...

Jamie · 03-26-2002, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Although we regret having to,
CCBill must, as a result of Visa?s decision and other potential legal
problems associated with processing billing for beastiality sites, cancel
our agreement to provide service to you.

Does that mean CCBILL can't accept Visa at all?

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 03:54 PM

No Jamie, it means we won't be processing transactions for any beastie, fake beastie, or even amateurs with a cat in their house during their cam show, after Thursday afternoon.

BuckNaked · 03-26-2002, 04:16 PM

was that last part a joke KK?

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 04:32 PM

Yes, it was Buck. Just wondered who was paying attention ;)

shunga · 03-26-2002, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Oh and I do find it humorous all the little people who read this board and quote it elsewhere on the web...

You mean leprechauns? I wouldn't have thought you believed in that kind of thing.

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 04:51 PM

You call 'em leprechauns, I call 'em mental midgets... ;)

[Labret] · 03-26-2002, 05:26 PM

I call them Serge.

He likes to cutn paste to Oprano ALOT

AWW - Kevin · 03-26-2002, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
I call them Serge.

He likes to cutn paste to Oprano ALOT

then you know where this is going

Quote:

I call 'em mental midgets...

LMHO

KK

Mr. Grimm · 03-26-2002, 09:13 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if a guy jerks off on a fur coat, is that considered "beast"?
------------------------------------------------------------------------

You jerk off on my fur coat, you won't have to worry about what you'll be called, other than dead ;)

--

either that or "sweetie"

SykkBoy · 03-27-2002, 02:12 AM

do some of these fucking butt ugly amateurs count as bestiality?

there are some that well...run rover run!!!!

what will these poor bestiality models do now that they are out of work? They should have unionized when they had the chance.....

crack · 03-27-2002, 08:44 AM

Kimmykim, not stepping on your toes. I understand ccbill want to complain with visa. FINE, just cut off visa processing from sites prohibited by them, keep other cc?s and checks. It was done with Amex awhile ago. Unless ccbill officially announces that it does not support transactions for certain content you can?t just shut down all processing.

I understand that no court will even look at complains from bestie webmaster, but I see lack of flexibility in your business thinking.

No morals involved, just business.

[Labret] · 03-27-2002, 10:44 AM

I bet iBill is going to do the same thing.

2 days before checks and wires are to be cut and sent, accounts will be froze and nobody gets jack.

Kimmykim · 03-27-2002, 01:20 PM

crack,
I don't take it as stepping on my toes. We can and do reserve the right in our TOS to change things as needed, so there's no real issue of anyone having a case of anything in a court of law. We are aware that if our clients don't make sales we don't make money.

Grimmy you are bad ;)

Kimmykim · 03-27-2002, 01:23 PM

So are you Labret, now that I think about it ;)

Donnie Gangsta · 03-28-2002, 05:35 PM

The posted letter is from VISA Usa.. What about international processors? Has anyone inquired into this with Visa?

Kimmykim · 03-28-2002, 05:49 PM

I answered this in your thread.

Brujah · 03-28-2002, 05:59 PM

You know.. they really shouldn't be processing for beastiality, lil amber type sites, and cp sites anyway. Its illegal. People go to jail for it.

I'm stunned VISA is the one that had to make this happen. Its even a little scary that no one would do anything about it, so now VISA feels it needed to. Who knows what VISA will decide for us next. WTG, Thanks.

Ted · 03-28-2002, 06:11 PM

Write or wrong about beastiality what makes Visa the morals police ?

If someone went and bought an Uzi and a case of amunition on my visa and then went postal would visa stop proccessing for gun shops ?

If someone bought candy on visa and lured a kid into a car would they stop processing for candy

Drunk Drivers cause deaths almost everyday and you can still buy beer on visa?

Visa are just a bunch of self rightous arrogant mother fuckers imho

pr0view · 03-28-2002, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

The dog is tired of being fucked.

actually, the dog is tired of fucking and getting its cock sucked

Shoplifter · 03-28-2002, 06:23 PM

My condolances to those running such sites...but good riddance.
It only hurts the majority of "traditional" adult operators.

Anyone who thinks that bestiality can in any way be a business
venture needs rehabilitation.

[Labret] · 03-28-2002, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter

Anyone who thinks that bestiality can in any way be a business
venture needs rehabilitation.

Tell the guys I know who make 7 figures a year off it.

Legally. In Holland. Where it is legal.

Why that would have any effect on your business I do not know.

Kimmykim · 03-28-2002, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
You know.. they really shouldn't be processing for beastiality, lil amber type sites, and cp sites anyway. Its illegal. People go to jail for it.

I'm stunned VISA is the one that had to make this happen. Its even a little scary that no one would do anything about it, so now VISA feels it needed to. Who knows what VISA will decide for us next. WTG, Thanks.

It's bEstiality, and regardless of your law degree, you obviously don't know the law in all 50 US states.

As to Visa, you probably should be aware that to the average Joe, like a guy who works at Visa, they don't care what you are doing, it's all porn.

FATPad · 03-28-2002, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ted
Write or wrong about beastiality what makes Visa the morals police ?

If someone went and bought an Uzi and a case of amunition on my visa and then went postal would visa stop proccessing for gun shops ?

If someone bought candy on visa and lured a kid into a car would they stop processing for candy

Drunk Drivers cause deaths almost everyday and you can still buy beer on visa?

Visa are just a bunch of self rightous arrogant mother fuckers imho

Buy Visa. Change the rules.

Brujah · 03-28-2002, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
It's bEstiality, and regardless of your law degree, you obviously don't know the law in all 50 US states.

Strike a nerve ? I know its not exactly illegal by the books in 24 or 26 states. The fact remains. People go to jail for it in the US, whether they spell it bestiality or beastiality.

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As to Visa, you probably should be aware that to the average Joe, like a guy who works at Visa, they don't care what you are doing, it's all porn.

And they know that the processors don't care what they process for, so they feel the need to do it themselves. Bravo! Way to go. Lets get the "average Joe" that doesn't care and thinks "it's all porn." and wants to stop processing for it.

Maybe the processors could have done something about it before it got to this point.

I'm not trying to take a moral highground on the issue. I just think I'd rather see the industry try and clean up its own mess, so the wrong people don't do it for us.

[Labret] · 03-28-2002, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

I just think I'd rather see the industry try and clean up its own mess, so the wrong people don't do it for us.

News flash, the "wrong people" want ALL porn off the internet. They do not pick and choose.

Kimmykim · 03-28-2002, 09:25 PM

You know something Brujah? The people in this industry can't do anything together.

99% of them are stealing from 99% of the rest, the ones that aren't are too busy cheating on their wives and lying to their associates and friends about what they *REALLY* do in their businesses, that it's one big clusterfuck.

You can talk all you want to about how it's a little tiny percentage, how only the processors etc are wrong, but you know what? You are wrong. The people that cry the loudest are usually the ones either not making any money or doing something just as shady but trying to keep it from being noticed.

Strike a nerve with me? No. I don't care a whit about bestiality, whether it stays or goes. The only thing that bothers me is that Visa is deciding to become the dictator of incomes. You think it will stop at bestiality? Better make sure you don't rely on any revenue from your fetish sites, since I'd be willing to bet that sooner or later they are going to be imcompatible with Visa's image.

Brujah · 03-28-2002, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
News flash, the "wrong people" want ALL porn off the internet. They do not pick and choose.

Thats what I said. You just missed it I guess.

FATPad · 03-28-2002, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
You know something Brujah? The people in this industry can't do anything together.

99% of them are stealing from 99% of the rest, the ones that aren't are too busy cheating on their wives and lying to their associates and friends about what they *REALLY* do in their businesses, that it's one big clusterfuck.

You can talk all you want to about how it's a little tiny percentage, how only the processors etc are wrong, but you know what? You are wrong. The people that cry the loudest are usually the ones either not making any money or doing something just as shady but trying to keep it from being noticed.

Strike a nerve with me? No. I don't care a whit about bestiality, whether it stays or goes. The only thing that bothers me is that Visa is deciding to become the dictator of incomes. You think it will stop at bestiality? Better make sure you don't rely on any revenue from your fetish sites, since I'd be willing to bet that sooner or later they are going to be imcompatible with Visa's image.

Let's kill American Express while we're at it. They don't allow ANY porn site transactions.

*brings out the the tar, feathers, torches, pitchforks, etc*

Brujah · 03-28-2002, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
You know something Brujah? The people in this industry can't do anything together.

Its very sad.

Quote:

You can talk all you want to about how it's a little tiny percentage, how only the processors etc are wrong, but you know what? You are wrong. The people that cry the loudest are usually the ones either not making any money or doing something just as shady but trying to keep it from being noticed.

I'm not blaming the processors exclusively, but you must admit that they're a huge part of it. They're the ones that enable them to run the sites, and make it so profitable and attractive.

Quote:

Strike a nerve with me? No. I don't care a whit about bestiality, whether it stays or goes. The only thing that bothers me is that Visa is deciding to become the dictator of incomes. You think it will stop at bestiality? Better make sure you don't rely on any revenue from your fetish sites, since I'd be willing to bet that sooner or later they are going to be imcompatible with Visa's image.

I don't think it will stop at bestiality. I AM concerned now, thats its gone too far. As I said earlier, I'm NOT trying to take a moral highground and cast blame. However, its obvious that some services in the industry are more responsible for it than others.

So now that we've already gone this far, we can only wonder whats next. How far will this go? What alternatives will there be left if VISA pulls out from more fetishes? Dialers, tokens, paypal, checking account debit?

4Pics · 03-28-2002, 10:28 PM

Does this mean CCBill wont process for those hairy women sites where they are basically animals?

Kimmykim · 03-28-2002, 10:30 PM

Hey, even I, working for a cc processor, has been telling people for months to start putting their eggs in different baskets.

If you have one cc processor, make sure you have a backup. If you don't take checks, now's the time to start. If you aren't using dialers or web900 or Paypal, then maybe it wouldn't hurt to look into getting setup. Sort your traffic out based on the best way for them to pay you and it stick, and go that route.

We're going to start accepting both a Euro and an Asian debit/charge payment very shortly. We're also going to have to change the way we scrub Mastercard -- eliminate more countries-- as well, since MC is putting the smackdown on cb's...

It's not just the processors who should be looking for ways to spread the payments in, it's everyone who owns a web site if you ask me.

I don't particularly see that its beastie or the word lolita that set Visa off -- my guess is someone there got a case of the Amex -- not enough money for the chargebacks for those sites. Visa's been making third party report chargebacks *by url* for a few months now, they can take a close look at what's good and what's not.

I'd expect that celebs, certain fetishes, and certain companies will be the next ones on the hit list.

03-26-2002, 02:08 PM	#2
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03-26-2002, 02:11 PM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	Nothing wrong with giving rights back to the animals. The animal Union has power, these billing companies better recognize. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-26-2002, 02:28 PM	#10
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	bow wow wow to the power. Power of the Hoed out Dog. The dog is tired of being fucked. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-26-2002, 02:30 PM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	what do they consider beast? SOme of these sites are borderline. I dont see how they catagorize one site beast and the other not __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-26-2002, 03:07 PM	#17
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	what about hobbits? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-26-2002, 02:12 PM	#4
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I am the top of the food chain. Animals have the right to be eaten and fucked. Or fucked then eaten... either way.

03-26-2002, 02:21 PM	#6
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945

03-26-2002, 02:22 PM	#7
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	They dont want it associated with the Visa brand name. They are NOT going to stop at beast. Crazy shit. Bend over and get ready for the ass reaming.

03-26-2002, 02:22 PM	#8
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	Ok, if Visa won't let you process for a site that shows women with animals, will they still let you process for a site that shows naked women with big thick juicy steaks? Or will we have to change all of our Beef-n-Babes sites over to SoyBean-Sluts?

03-26-2002, 02:35 PM	#13
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	Visa bans bestality. Does this mean slaugther house for all those cows and pigs

03-26-2002, 02:36 PM	#14
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	if a guy jerks off on a fur coat, is that considered "beast"?

03-26-2002, 02:36 PM	#15
sexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: P Posts: 101	Kimmy Kim Are ypu going to hold all money, inkluding all rebills and signups or just the reserves from the masteraccount holder??

03-26-2002, 03:17 PM	#19
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	Oh and I do find it humorous all the little people who read this board and quote it elsewhere on the web...

03-26-2002, 03:54 PM	#21
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	No Jamie, it means we won't be processing transactions for any beastie, fake beastie, or even amateurs with a cat in their house during their cam show, after Thursday afternoon.

03-26-2002, 04:16 PM	#22
BuckNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Moved to a tent in the back yard Posts: 399	was that last part a joke KK? __________________ The BuckNaked Show! LIVE! Thursday's Midnight EST Daily Grind Radio

03-26-2002, 04:32 PM	#23
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	Yes, it was Buck. Just wondered who was paying attention ;)

03-26-2002, 04:51 PM	#25
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	You call 'em leprechauns, I call 'em mental midgets... ;)

03-26-2002, 05:26 PM	#26
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I call them Serge. He likes to cutn paste to Oprano ALOT

03-26-2002, 09:13 PM	#28
Mr. Grimm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 65	quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by Amputate Your Head if a guy jerks off on a fur coat, is that considered "beast"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You jerk off on my fur coat, you won't have to worry about what you'll be called, other than dead ;) -- either that or "sweetie" __________________ <a href="http://www.directnic.com>Directnic... 15.00 domain names, best customer support.</a>

03-27-2002, 02:12 AM	#29
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	do some of these fucking butt ugly amateurs count as bestiality? there are some that well...run rover run!!!! what will these poor bestiality models do now that they are out of work? They should have unionized when they had the chance..... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

03-27-2002, 08:44 AM	#30
crack Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 100	Kimmykim, not stepping on your toes. I understand ccbill want to complain with visa. FINE, just cut off visa processing from sites prohibited by them, keep other cc?s and checks. It was done with Amex awhile ago. Unless ccbill officially announces that it does not support transactions for certain content you can?t just shut down all processing. I understand that no court will even look at complains from bestie webmaster, but I see lack of flexibility in your business thinking. No morals involved, just business. __________________ There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.

03-27-2002, 10:44 AM	#31
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I bet iBill is going to do the same thing. 2 days before checks and wires are to be cut and sent, accounts will be froze and nobody gets jack.

03-27-2002, 01:20 PM	#32
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	crack, I don't take it as stepping on my toes. We can and do reserve the right in our TOS to change things as needed, so there's no real issue of anyone having a case of anything in a court of law. We are aware that if our clients don't make sales we don't make money. Grimmy you are bad ;)

03-27-2002, 01:23 PM	#33
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	So are you Labret, now that I think about it ;)

03-28-2002, 05:35 PM	#34
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	The posted letter is from VISA Usa.. What about international processors? Has anyone inquired into this with Visa?

03-28-2002, 05:49 PM	#35
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	I answered this in your thread.

03-28-2002, 05:59 PM	#36
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	You know.. they really shouldn't be processing for beastiality, lil amber type sites, and cp sites anyway. Its illegal. People go to jail for it. I'm stunned VISA is the one that had to make this happen. Its even a little scary that no one would do anything about it, so now VISA feels it needed to. Who knows what VISA will decide for us next. WTG, Thanks. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

03-28-2002, 06:11 PM	#37
Ted Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 830	Write or wrong about beastiality what makes Visa the morals police ? If someone went and bought an Uzi and a case of amunition on my visa and then went postal would visa stop proccessing for gun shops ? If someone bought candy on visa and lured a kid into a car would they stop processing for candy Drunk Drivers cause deaths almost everyday and you can still buy beer on visa? Visa are just a bunch of self rightous arrogant mother fuckers imho

03-28-2002, 06:23 PM	#39
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,560	My condolances to those running such sites...but good riddance. It only hurts the majority of "traditional" adult operators. Anyone who thinks that bestiality can in any way be a business venture needs rehabilitation.

03-28-2002, 09:25 PM	#45
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	You know something Brujah? The people in this industry can't do anything together. 99% of them are stealing from 99% of the rest, the ones that aren't are too busy cheating on their wives and lying to their associates and friends about what they REALLY do in their businesses, that it's one big clusterfuck. You can talk all you want to about how it's a little tiny percentage, how only the processors etc are wrong, but you know what? You are wrong. The people that cry the loudest are usually the ones either not making any money or doing something just as shady but trying to keep it from being noticed. Strike a nerve with me? No. I don't care a whit about bestiality, whether it stays or goes. The only thing that bothers me is that Visa is deciding to become the dictator of incomes. You think it will stop at bestiality? Better make sure you don't rely on any revenue from your fetish sites, since I'd be willing to bet that sooner or later they are going to be imcompatible with Visa's image.

03-28-2002, 10:28 PM	#49
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	Does this mean CCBill wont process for those hairy women sites where they are basically animals?

03-28-2002, 10:30 PM	#50
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,016	Hey, even I, working for a cc processor, has been telling people for months to start putting their eggs in different baskets. If you have one cc processor, make sure you have a backup. If you don't take checks, now's the time to start. If you aren't using dialers or web900 or Paypal, then maybe it wouldn't hurt to look into getting setup. Sort your traffic out based on the best way for them to pay you and it stick, and go that route. We're going to start accepting both a Euro and an Asian debit/charge payment very shortly. We're also going to have to change the way we scrub Mastercard -- eliminate more countries-- as well, since MC is putting the smackdown on cb's... It's not just the processors who should be looking for ways to spread the payments in, it's everyone who owns a web site if you ask me. I don't particularly see that its beastie or the word lolita that set Visa off -- my guess is someone there got a case of the Amex -- not enough money for the chargebacks for those sites. Visa's been making third party report chargebacks by url for a few months now, they can take a close look at what's good and what's not. I'd expect that celebs, certain fetishes, and certain companies will be the next ones on the hit list.