Is religion incompatible with the adult industry?

[JamesXR]

Hey, I'm pretty new to the industry and was cruising through some threads and got to looking at this battle with this Donny guy. There was a lot of hostility there.
I'm just wondering if this is "We hate them because they hate us" thing?
Or is it maybe like the way that atheists tend to be religious people who are angry at god so deny his existence. Are there a lot of porn industry people who were raised religious and get sensitive because deep down they feel that they are doing something wrong no matter how they try to deny it?
I just saw a lot of anger like someone poked a sensitive spot.

[StickyGreen]

Religion isn't compatible with much of anything...

[cookiekid]

Jesus likes to fight a bit

[crockett]

The only thing Religion is compatible with is submission.

[ObnoxiousBitch]

I've never been religious, so I can't speak for those who are... but this I'll address:

Originally Posted by JamesXR

Or is it maybe like the way that atheists tend to be religious people who are angry at god so deny his existence.

You apparently don't know (m)any atheists.

Personally, I find evangelism - especially professional evangelism - to be far more immoral than what WE do. At least pornographers aren't targeting children, unlike the fundies.

I find it reprehensible that as a culture we're supposed to be outraged by (and stamp out) sexual fantasies, yet delusional religious fantasies are not only encouraged, but codified into law!

I'd rather my daughter work in the adult industry than go to any church.

[ADL Colin]

There are plenty of people who are religious in the adult industry. I'm not one of them but they are proof enough.

[2HousePlague]

Na, there's a certain church in Berkeley I know...

2hp

[JamesXR]

I've got to agree that there are a lot of evil evangelists threatening to have you burned for eternity if you don't submit. Seriously, who really wishes eternal burning on anybody. That's the fundamental evangelists though.
As for atheists. I think you only go atheist if you have a grudge against god or are looking to get attention. Agnosticism just makes more sense.

[bobby666]

no,porn is my religion

[Klen]

Depend's on someone view.I personaly think porn and religion can be compabitle.After all i dont see anywhere in bible where Jesus say anything against porn.Plus,Jesus loves pornstars hehe

[Odin]

Originally Posted by JamesXR

I've got to agree that there are a lot of evil evangelists threatening to have you burned for eternity if you don't submit. Seriously, who really wishes eternal burning on anybody. That's the fundamental evangelists though.
As for atheists. I think you only go atheist if you have a grudge against god or are looking to get attention. Agnosticism just makes more sense.

I tend to agree. Though I don't have that much hatred to the evangelists though. Even if they believe I will burn in hell, for the most part I've had no problem with them when dealing with them on Earth. But certainly Agnosticism makes alot more sense to me.

[Z]

There is a massive difference between the modern concept of "religion" and a real relationship with whatever anyone considers "God".

To use Christianity as the most convenient and familiar reference for this board, Jesus surrounded himself with prostitutes, thieves, tax collectors, liars, murderers and was no slouch himself. Storming into the temple, kicking over the money changer's tables and throwing them around wasn't the act of what today's typical "Christian" would consider a "Godly" man, yet...by their own definition...he was...God.

[ObnoxiousBitch]

Agnosticism only "made more sense" in the past for me in that it resulted in a whole hell of a lot less confrontation and people telling me I was angry at something I don't even believe in. But I was young and easily intimidated, so intellectual dishonesty was the only choice.

Not so these days. Short of a physical appearance, complete with bona-fide, scientifically-tested miracles, broadcast in front of a live audience, I'd no more believe in a god than a unicorn. Invisible friends are for children and psychotics.

[JamesXR]

Originally Posted by Z

There is a massive difference between the modern concept of "religion" and a real relationship with whatever anyone considers "God".

To use Christianity as the most convenient and familiar reference for this board, Jesus surrounded himself with prostitutes, thieves, tax collectors, liars, murderers and was no slouch himself. Storming into the temple, kicking over the money changer's tables and throwing them around wasn't the act of what today's typical "Christian" would consider a "Godly" man, yet...by their own definition...he was...God.

I think it just sends a strong message that Jesus doesn't like you raising money with religion. Isn't getting religion out of politics so as to keep evangelicals pure along the same lines. That's a movement I can get behind.

[JamesXR]

ObnoxiousBitch, I've got to say that I used to go with atheism for the confrontation with religious people.
I like to think that there is something more magical to the world than what we see. So agnosticism works for me.

[HarlotCash Dyker]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Religion isn't compatible with much of anything...

Short statements often hit the nail right on the head -

[ObnoxiousBitch]

I'd rather not have confrontations, I assure you :-) But I will, whenever appropriate.

The only real difference between you and me, I'd say, is that maybe I just got too old to engage in wishful/magical thinking, at least in the supernatural sense. The world as it is in reality is more than sufficiently wondrous and magical, and I'm sure I have moments that are just as powerful/inspirational as "religious experiences" are for people who believe in the supernatural.

[TheLegacy]

do not mix religion with god - it is manmade.

I know alot of christians who work in the adult industry and even have some clients from nuns to clergy who have no problem.

[JamesXR]

I think a lot of people in porn owe a lot to the religious conservatives. My theory is that all that repression pushes people to the internet.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by ObnoxiousBitch

Agnosticism only "made more sense" in the past for me in that it resulted in a whole hell of a lot less confrontation and people telling me I was angry at something I don't even believe in. But I was young and easily intimidated, so intellectual dishonesty was the only choice.

Not so these days. Short of a physical appearance, complete with bona-fide, scientifically-tested miracles, broadcast in front of a live audience, I'd no more believe in a god than a unicorn. Invisible friends are for children and psychotics.

At some point this universe, everything we have, started from nothing, absolutely nothing. Just the unknowable origins of this universe is enough for me to to accept there may be a God, or 'higher power' as some say. But I don't give it too much thought, after all Agnosticism is accepting it is unknowable.

[JamesXR]

I will admit that agnosticism is the easiest religion. Whereas so many other religions are betting that the others are wrong, the agnostic is always right. Althought some claim that you can be right and still burn in hell for not having blind faith.

[$5 submissions]

Religion and morality often have little to do with each other... yet they are often (in confusion) used interchangably. IMHO.

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[gfx3]

And there is nothing wrong with "decent porn" (pay attention to decent) if it was for religion people wouldn't even use condoms so get over it. Ow and when religion starts paying bills let me know something.

[dennisthemenace]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Religion isn't compatible with much of anything...

There you have it, quick and easy correct answer.

Religion and adult is NOT compatible.

However, genuine spirituality is compatible.

[DjSap]

it all depends on how you interpret the scriptures...there's gay religious people so i dont see why there can't be an religious person who works in the adult industry....

[MandyBlake]

i think you can have faith and go to church and still be involved inthe adult industry.

[starpimps]

its against religion not to make a living, i think the big guy up there doesnt mind. porn is great

[ObnoxiousBitch]

Relevant to the atheist vs. agnostic terminology, check this out.

She's a different "OB" but there's some good discussion there about redefining atheism... it's of a decidedly more highbrow nature than this joint. Hahahaha (it'll likely bore gfyers to tears)

[Donny]

I don't have a problem with pornographers. I just have a problem with ME producing porn, because what I did for a living definitely hurt other people. I recruited models and I cannot honestly say I am able to point to them and say anything I did affected their lives in a positive way. But I can definitely point to many who were negatively affected.

[Jenny S.]

Read the Bible, sisters and brothers.

"I will not punish your daughters when they play the harlot or your brides when they commit adultery"

says the Lord. (Hosea 4:15)

[jerseygto]

Christ i aint evennnnnnn remotely touchin this one!! i have see some supernatural shit out there i grew up in a haunted house an had a haunted condo b4 i bought my house soooo thats enough for me to believe in something but show me a picture dat god wrote the bible himself then ill believe it untill then its jus a group of guys that wanna control us into the way they want things!!

[Lykos]

religion sux

[Kimo]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Religion isn't compatible with much of anything...

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Religion and morality often have little to do with each other... yet they are often (in confusion) used interchangably. IMHO.

Don't be humble. That isn't an opinion. That's a FACT.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by Donny

I don't have a problem with pornographers. I just have a problem with ME producing porn, because what I did for a living definitely hurt other people. I recruited models and I cannot honestly say I am able to point to them and say anything I did affected their lives in a positive way. But I can definitely point to many who were negatively affected.

Couple things here.

First off, I want to make it clear that I have absolutely NO problem with you posting here for a couple of reasons. You don't seem to be here to impose your views on anyone. Second, you were here long before this new generation of surfer/sigwhore and if Lensman isn't gonna do anything about them, you should be free to post whatever the hell you wish. Quite frankly, if you WERE to get preachy, you should still be able to post here. Even that's more useful than most of what goes on here nowadays.

But I digress...and I have a question.

You say you know many models who were negatively affected by porn. I'd argue with you if I could, but I have no doubt that you're right. The models are THE front line and if anyone is going to bear the brunt of abuse in this industry, it's going to be them. However, I'm curious to know if you think people have been affected negatively by religion.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by dennisthemenace

There you have it, quick and easy correct answer.

Religion and adult is NOT compatible.

However, genuine spirituality is compatible.

very true good post

[ronaldo]

My thoughts about the mix of religion and porn are pretty simple. If the religious right would acknowledge that sex is actually a fundamental part of our being, and not everything associated with it is evil, the world wouldn't be as proliferated with porn as it is. It's my opinion that the church's own morals and public stance both backfire and frequently make them look hypocritical. How many times have we heard and read about priests abusing children? More than once, and once is too many. How many times have we heard of someone in a high religious position getting caught cheating on their spouse, or doing something that is frequently condemned by the church? Again, quite often.

In any of those cases (abusing children being the obvious exception) the church could simply state that the person is only human. They can TRY to go that route now, but they can't, and the entire religious organization takes a credibility hit EVERY time it happens. That's what happens when you put yourself on a pedestal.

Everyone jokes at what a necessary evil lawyers are. Their job is to take the law and interpret it to what best suits their clients. Any man preaching FROM the bible is doing exactly the same thing, offering THEIR interpretation (or worse, taking the bible literally). Yet, lawyers are HATED, and these people are supposed to be universally revered?

Believing in a higher being I have absolutely no problem with. But, listening to man...ANY man, preach the true meaning of god is an exercise in futility to anyone with any reason whatsoever.

[Ace_luffy]

jesus loves porn... ..

[Dagwolf]

Ass worship is compatible with porn.

[Pleasurepays]

history has shown that Religion is compatible with everything... from doing great things to stealing, rape and murder - even genocide.

[notabook]

Some religions are, most are not. Archiotism for example is very much compatible with the adult industry whereas religions like Christianity and Islam are not.

[MyNameIsNobody]

I wouldn't mind fucking nun if that's what you're thinking about..

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Donny

I don't have a problem with pornographers.

Yeah right, more fun quotes from Donny Christ the hypocrite:

Since Thursday, Belinda has been in Los Angeles at an adult industry convention known as Webmaster Access West.

It saddens me that Belinda's there, surrounded by people who pretend to be her friend while speaking face to face or while intoxicated, yet don't really give a crap about her at any other time.

It's so "great" to hang out with the bigwigs from Playboy but none of those people truly care about you, and you'll hardly cross their mind until you meet them again at the next show or send them a content package.

Donny wrote the following to Belinda:

It hurts my heart that I got you involved in this business, and it hurts it even worse knowing you don't want to give it up. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that you've experienced all the same things I have, yet you wish to continue. I don't want to be accusing, but Belinda, we ruined lives.

More proof in his own words that the teh Donny Christ has no problem with pornographers:

Here I go with some examples from this past AVN show in Las Vegas:

1. In one display area there were videos playing where young ladies put suction cups on their genitals. These cups sucked said genitals so hard they began to swell to several times their normal size. The resulting images and videos showed vaginas that were horribly deformed. Sound good to you? (visit *********.com for help if it does)

2. In another display there were devices being sold that looked like pogo sticks. On part of this "pogo stick" was a penis. The intent of this object is for a woman to place it inside herself and bounce on it. The people selling this item were rather hairy and sweaty. Turned on yet? No? Okay, let me see if I can do better.

3. How about videos of machines that are made strictly to have sex with women? A dildo is placed on the end of a mechanical device that rotates at several thousand RPMs, rapidly penetrating a model on the other end. Do I have you going yet?

You mean you're not turned on? Your stomach is churning? I know how you feel, because the first time I was at the show I felt sick to my stomach as well.

But it really sucks that I've already grossed you out because I haven't even told you about some of the most depraved forms of entertainment being shown on the floor. I haven't told you about the transsexual who was wandering the floor in his pink dress with his penis hanging out for all to see.

I bet that would have moved you, right? I haven't told you about the objects being sold that are meant to inflict pain on genitals of both men and women, along with the graphic photographs meant to portray how those objects are to be used. I haven't told you about.... Okay, I'll stop. Take a deep breath. You'll be okay, I promise.

See, it's altogether possible that Christian men who are on a mission to help deliver lost souls from the porn industry ARE INDEED able to resist the "temptations" they run across.

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Doesn't sound like Donny has a problem with pornographers at all...



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[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

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[X_Star69]

All priests are pedofiles.

[SomeCreep]

Religion is a synonym for control.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by JamesXR

Hey, I'm pretty new to the industry and was cruising through some threads and got to looking at this battle with this Donny guy. There was a lot of hostility there.
I'm just wondering if this is "We hate them because they hate us" thing?
Or is it maybe like the way that atheists tend to be religious people who are angry at god so deny his existence. Are there a lot of porn industry people who were raised religious and get sensitive because deep down they feel that they are doing something wrong no matter how they try to deny it?
I just saw a lot of anger like someone poked a sensitive spot.

Your post basically mimics some of Donny's positions almost verbatim. Are you sure you are not a fake nick? A whopping 10 posts on GFY and this is what you choose to lead with.

In any case, I think what you are describing (denial/contempt/guilt) is what Donny's attitudes were before his born-again brainwashing. Now he has swung from one extreme to the other. Most atheists I know are more stable than that, since their beliefs are based upon logic rather than emotion, and fact rather than faith.

For some such as myself, speaking out against religious zealots is simply an acknowledgement of what damage religious fanatics can wrought on the adult industry through their self-righteous actions. The adult industry cannot afford to bury it's head in the sand in the face of an onslaught against our rights.

Donny continues to lie to himself and everyone else when he says he passes no judgement against people in porn, when his primary mission in his own words appear to indicate that he intends to involve himself in, and yes even profit, by smearing the adult industry (by testifying about all the lives that he and Belinda supposedly "ruined" by his actions in the industry), and to try and pull people out of the business utilizing cult like tactics.

I realize this subject makes many people uncomfortable and so they choose to ignore it, however to do so, and to offer no resistance simply strengthens the position of those that wish to do away with our industry or at the very least many of the freedoms we currently enjoy.



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[Donny]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

I'm curious to know if you think people have been affected negatively by religion.

Undoubtedly. I blog about that all the time. In fact, allow me to link to some of the blog entries I've written to Christians:

About Christianity and Homosexuals

Christians are "parrots"

Christians respond to other "Christians" who sin with love, yet tell non-Christians they're going to hell

Christians love to Bible thump, but their reasons have nothing to do with God

I write to a pastor about things that made me hate Christians, amongst other things

Yep, Christianity hurts people. A lot.

[Donny]

ADGWD:

Do you have a first name? I hate calling you by some very long nickname. I have changed my mind about conversing with you. I'm up for it. This sounds really odd, and I never would have thought it could happen, but I'm starting to love ya man. You're awesome.

At first you were a pain in my ass, but I'm getting to the point where I appreciate your posts quite a bit. So let me know what to call you, or make up a name. Or something. I want to address you in a better way than Asian Diva Girls Web Dude or ADGWD.