AVN's ICANN Ltr AGAINST .xxx

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.xxx opposition letter from AVN
To: <xxx-icm-agreement@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: .xxx opposition letter from AVN
From: "Paul Fishbein" <pf@xxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:15:46 -0800

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To Whom It May Concern,

I am the owner of AVN Media Network, which publishes the leading adult video
and online trade magazines, Adult Video News (AVN) and AVN Online. These
magazines are read and respected throughout the adult video retail and adult
online community.

When the idea was first presented to us, AVN had offered support for the
concept of a .xxx top level domain, but after discussing the concept with
many of the leaders of the adult video and Internet communities, we have
concluded that there is little support within the adult community for the
.xxx domain, and we ourselves are strongly opposed to the creation of a .xxx
domain.

Yours truly,
Paul Fishbein, Owner
AVN Media Network

[karlm]

Bump for this one important topic

[Jman]

Awesome letter ;-)

[Deputy Chief Command]

the problem right now is that many people dont like porn . . and the more people within the porn industry that say no . .the more people that dont like porn are going to think yes+ . .

[commonsense]

That letter sounds half assed. Nothing in the letter says why they are opposed to .xxx (freedom of speach/stomach ache/etc) or any relevant arguement. It basically says.... "Well, we liked it at first, but no one else did, so we don't like it now too."

For being a respected voice of the industry, the email said very little. They might as well of sent an email that stated


NO


in a big ass font. It would probably be just as effective.

[mikesouth]

hey I still havent seen one from Helmy

wonder why

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

the problem right now is that many people dont like porn . . and the more people within the porn industry that say no . .the more people that dont like porn are going to think yes+ . .

I'm lost (but, it's probably just me--it's an age thing more and more for me!).

Are not most of the ICANN posters against .xxx somehow related to porn? I sense that the Adult Internet Industry and the Adult Film Internet Industry both basically supply porn content (certainly, porn movies aren't meant to be akin to "Gone With The Wind", and adult websites aren't meant to be religious!), but both suppy masturbatory content.

AVN is a big fish, one that has it's fingers on the pulse of the Adult Entertainment Industry, so I would hope that ICANN will give proportiate weight to AVN being against .xxx.

[tony286]

kudos to AVN for taking a real stand.

[Nodtveidt]

Doesn't look like AVN's letter has much substance to it, but at least they're offering their "yay or nay" to the concept.

[Linkster]

So- one leader has spoken - will the others stand up? Where is Adult.com and Playboys stance on this - after all they run this forum and allow the majority of adult webmasters to speak out - but I sure dont hear anything coming out of the owners
Larry Flynt and Hef have been the leaders of free speech in our industry since as long as I can remember (and I remember when Playboy was in its infancy) - yet only Larry has taken a stance on this??

[d00t]

Originally Posted by Linkster

So- one leader has spoken - will the others stand up? Where is Adult.com and Playboys stance on this - after all they run this forum and allow the majority of adult webmasters to speak out - but I sure dont hear anything coming out of the owners
Larry Flynt and Hef have been the leaders of free speech in our industry since as long as I can remember (and I remember when Playboy was in its infancy) - yet only Larry has taken a stance on this??

I think you might find the others have taken a stance - just not the stance we would hope they would take.

[Pleasurepays]

what the fuck??? what a bunch of bullshit and what a sorry ass position. "we used to support it... but since it doesn't have popular support, we are now strongly opposed to it"

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by d00t

I think you might find the others have taken a stance - just not the stance we would hope they would take.

I have yet to see anyone from this company take a stance one way or the other - all Ive ever seen is political corporate BS - I think its time to call out the people that run the largest companies and see if they have the guts to say something one way or the other - and this isnt limited to Adult.com or Playboy - its programs like Top Bucks, MaxCash, ARS, Shaw(SIC) and many others

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by Nodtveidt

Doesn't look like AVN's letter has much substance to it, but at least they're offering their "yay or nay" to the concept.

I sense that ICANN needs to see that some past so-called "supporters" are NOT actual/present/valid supporters (or even "neutral" folks/entities), but now are actually urging REJECTION of .xxx --- hence, perhaps ICANN will see a need to question the continuing claims by ICM of so-called "support" as it exists (or has melted away?) as of TODAY!!?

So, yes, to me it seems VERY helpful to our cause that AVN said that they are strongly opposed to the creation of .xxx !!!

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by tony404

kudos to AVN for taking a real stand.

Yup, they reiterated their earlier posting to ICANN against .xxx:-)

[Linkster]

I guess none of these other companies are gong to take a stance - time to start pulling links and traffic

[seeric]

I guess that is better than nothing. I'll take opposition anyway I can get it.




Heres what I just posted too.



Here is a list of links to posts by members of the adult community in opposition to .xxx.

There are many 1000's posts in opposition to .xxx on more than 30 adult message boards. These are just a few samples from only ONE of them. These "message boards" serve as the town forums/meeting locations for the actual working webmasters who make up the majority of the industry.

The support that is so widely spoken about is unapparent and invisible to the very webmasters and adult industry figures that are being spoken for by these "unamed" supporters. If there are so many supporters, lets see their names. Stuart should be forced to name his supporters, as we do not believe that there are any. It is undeniable that the majority of this community DOES NOT want this extension. Policing ourselves starts with policing those that are attempting to accomplish the equivalent of a strong arm robbery on this industry. The so called supporters are currently cowering in fear, hoping for a victory based on the lies of ICM that this "sponsored community" wants this extension. That is a lie. As a matter of fact, I don't even remember anyone asking ICM to lend a hand in sponsoring us. .XXX was ICMs idea, not the adult community. For a group that never intends to be a part of the adult community, they sure do spend a lot of time figuring out how to take control of it.


Please accept these posts as additional proof that the industry does not want this extension and it serves no positive restructuring of the industry as it is being sold to you. Thank you.


Internet Commerce Association Opposes Approval of the Revised .XXX Agreement....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

GOVERNMENT OF CANADA (!) message regarding Opposition of .XXX

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

AVN's opposition to .XXX
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

DOMAIN REGISTRARS - like Enom, GoDaddy, NetworkSolutions, Tucows OPPOSE the .xxx TLD
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

.xxx can still be stopped but YOU must take action NOW

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

Official .XXX petition thread. If you are against .XXX, step inside

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

TripleXcash mail to affiliates : "Lets put a Stop to the .XXX extension"

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

what else can I do to stop this .XXX shit from becoming real ?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

Support Programs that support YOU! NO TO .XXX

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

Call, ICQ or email 3 friends in the biz and ask them to email to oppose .xxx

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

.xxx - If you didn't say you were in the industry, your mail won't count!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

WTF, .XXX is still kicking. Time to post to ICANN again!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

My Note to ICANN re .xxx (feel free to cut and paste)

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

Oppose .xxx

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

SPONSORS: Mail your affiliates to oppose .xxx, please!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

my letter to oppose .XXX

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

My letter to oppose .xxx

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

AlleyBucks' Opposition To .XXX

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

My letter to ICANN in opposition to .xxx

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

.xxx My Letter To Icann--

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=.XXX

[davecummings]

If you haven't posted your opposition to .xxx at ICANN yet, you apparently still can!

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by Linkster

I guess none of these other companies are gong to take a stance - time to start pulling links and traffic

The thought occurs to me (admittedly, a real novice) that even if .xxx was steam-rolled to approval and we non-24s all ended up in deep shit, that the so-called group of 24 and the 1500 alleged supporters might STILL be hated and shunned, possibly even to the extent that they'd lose more money than they'd capture from us victims of .xxx??

What do you folks think?

[Grapesoda]

dave can ya hit me with an email please:

sell at bmbhome dot com -bmb

[Gay Porn Star]

Originally Posted by davecummings

If you haven't posted your opposition to .xxx at ICANN yet, you apparently still can!

Do you know when is the deadline? Can I post at this date or is it to late?

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Gay Porn Star

Do you know when is the deadline? Can I post at this date or is it to late?

.xxx got already rejected 31 days ago