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p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 10:02 AM

Dear Pure Vanilla Merchant:

It has recently come to our attention that certain Merchants have attempted to use their Pure Vanilla account(s), in conjunction with credit cards, in a manner prohibited under the Pure Vanilla Merchant Agreement and posted Pure Vanilla Operating Procedures.

This has prompted Pure Vanilla to conduct an investigation of these violations, as the practices of these Merchants are considered a risk to Pure Vanilla and our Members. Pure Vanilla takes the welfare of its Merchants and Members in high regard, and any subversive activities to undermine this is a matter of serious concern.

All new Pure Vanilla accounts will be ACH funded and recurring billings only authorized through verified consumer checking accounts.

We appreciate your patience and support during this time and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. It is an unfortunate situation that causes for quick and effective handling, which we know you would understand.

IMPORTANT: All Pure Vanilla account holders (Members) are still able to redeem their cards at your Merchant site ? do not inactivate Pure Vanilla in any way. We continue to process payments made by Pure Vanilla account holders to our merchants. This matter only affects the opening and loading of Member accounts, not the redemption or use of Pure Vanilla accounts.

Please contact us directly with any questions.

Thank you

Brian Butrym
Integration Specialist
Pure Vanilla
(212) 991-1047 x123
www.purevanilla.com

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaha

Flynn · 09-05-2007, 10:06 AM

This thread will get interesting.

JMM · 09-05-2007, 10:06 AM

When was this sent out? I am a PV merchant and didn't receive this, unless it hit my spam folder.

Kevin, please tell me this isn't what it looks like! I am doing well with PV and NetCash, the two anonymous payment systems and I would hate to see that go away.

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM

When was this sent out? I am a PV merchant and didn't receive this, unless it hit my spam folder.

Kevin, please tell me this isn't what it looks like! I am doing well with PV and NetCash, the two anonymous payment systems and I would hate to see that go away.

you will need to excuse mr blatt, he is busy trying to think of how to twist and spin this news to be positive for pure vanilla merchants.

hahah

fuck off KB you stupid bitch.

acratophorum · 09-05-2007, 10:21 AM

what the devil is pure vanilla?

Fletch XXX · 09-05-2007, 10:24 AM

see sig spot

BAKO · 09-05-2007, 10:24 AM

That Sucks

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acratophorum

what the devil is pure vanilla?

that doesnt suprise me with KB being a real PR person and all.

haha

just shows how well of a job he is doing at it.

acratophorum · 09-05-2007, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

that doesnt suprise me with KB being a real PR person and all.

haha

just shows how well of a job he is doing at it.

Who the devil is KB?

tranza · 09-05-2007, 10:28 AM

That's no good...

ShellyCrash · 09-05-2007, 10:28 AM

Wow, ouch. Hope things work out for them / they find a way to start accepting credit cards again.

gangbangjoe · 09-05-2007, 10:29 AM

purevanilla? *scratcheshead*

JMM · 09-05-2007, 10:30 AM

Not interested in the drama but KB, can you discuss rebills? Are all rebills going to fail until this is resolved?

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acratophorum

Who the devil is KB?

exactly......

Casa Nova · 09-05-2007, 10:34 AM

Damn, I'm sure nobody should judge too much til KB has something to say.

tranza · 09-05-2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acratophorum

Who the devil is KB?

Lol......

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM

Not interested in the drama but KB, can you discuss rebills? Are all rebills going to fail until this is resolved?

im gonna have to guess that KB will spin this to confuse everyone or i should say the handful of people using purevanilla so that you wont get a straight answer until his boss gets in the office to slap KB like a bitch for being a moron and not ddoing his job because he is too worried about american canabis rentals

Chris · 09-05-2007, 10:35 AM

I never understood what purevanilla was

pocketkangaroo · 09-05-2007, 10:49 AM

Ouch, losing processing is not good. Will be impossible to survive on ACH.

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Ouch, losing processing is not good. Will be impossible to survive on ACH.

he claims to have clients doing 20-30k a month.. i think he made a typo and meant that the entire company does 20-30k a month.. so take away the cc's and the company now does 2-3k a month since ach is 10% of rev.

basically since they lost their merchant acct and will not be able to process rebills, they will lose any clients they have and go under.

thats my prediction.

i hope so, i cant wait to see what rabbit kb pulls out of his little stupid kangaroo hat next and what company he will con into hiriing him

TheAmericanCannibal · 09-05-2007, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

he claims to have clients doing 20-30k a month.. i think he made a typo and meant that the entire company does 20-30k a month.. so take away the cc's and the company now does 2-3k a month since ach is 10% of rev.

basically since they lost their merchant acct and will not be able to process rebills, they will lose any clients they have and go under.

thats my prediction.

i hope so, i cant wait to see what rabbit kb pulls out of his little stupid kangaroo hat next and what company he will con into hiriing him

Since our attorneys' are reading Pimpdogg's posts very closely for defamation and libel I will ask that if you want to discuss the rebills and our situation to call me directly JMM at 212.972.1600

All I can say for now publicly is what was said in the letter Trey posted above and it was sent out to all of our merchants on Friday.

acratophorum · 09-05-2007, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

Since our attorneys' are reading Pimpdogg's posts very closely for defamation and libel I will ask that if you want to discuss the rebills and our situation to call me directly JMM at 212.972.1600

Gotta make money somehow

Just kidding man

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

Since our attorneys' are reading Pimpdogg's posts very closely for defamation and libel I will ask that if you want to discuss the rebills and our situation to call me directly JMM at 212.972.1600

All I can say for now publicly is what was said in the letter Trey posted above and it was sent out to all of our merchants on Friday.

hahaha

tell your lawyer i said to go fuck himself

impossible to defame a company such as yours, ive statsed nothing but the truth and what you have admitted too.

threaten me with lawyers, it really scares me you white trash scumbag

p1mpdogg · 09-05-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acratophorum

Gotta make money somehow

Just kidding man

sadly thats the truth. people usually turn to lawsuits when they run out of other legit ways of making money.

ive got pretty good attorneys aswell, bring it on KB. bring it

justsexxx · 09-05-2007, 11:41 AM

Never heard of them....Netcash I have heard of tho...Pure Vanilla sounds like a TGP script....

Vanilla TGP (is a tgp script)

DamageX · 09-05-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

Since our attorneys' are reading Pimpdogg's posts very closely for defamation and libel.

If they're considering the hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaha he added to the message from your e-mail as libel, then you need better fucking attorneys.

Brujah · 09-05-2007, 11:48 AM

Steve walks warily down the street, with the brim pulled way down low ...

Flynn · 09-05-2007, 12:22 PM

someone buy purefailure.com really quick.

uno · 09-05-2007, 12:33 PM

Are they still advertising on Stern?

Ravage · 09-05-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

Are they still advertising on Stern?

Not that I can recall as of late.

JFK · 09-05-2007, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flynn

someone buy purefailure.com really quick.

OH my eyes

BradM · 09-05-2007, 12:59 PM

Classic KB. Failing in his life so he "reps" for some biller who goes tits up. Then he comes in here flaming everyone. Tomorrow he will have removed ALL reference of him with this Vanilla TGP biller (or whatever it is) and will never speak of it again.

This guy is... well a laugh riot.

Flynn · 09-05-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

OH my eyes

I know.. . Mine hurt right now too. there are some funky colors going on!

JFK · 09-05-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flynn

I know.. . Mine hurt right now too. there are some funky colors going on!

that flourescent green in the reply box got me

Flynn · 09-05-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

that flourescent green in the reply box got me

Yep! That's exactly what I was thinking of as well.

crockett · 09-05-2007, 01:33 PM

Darn, I waiting for the suing everyone with vanilla in the domains to start.

FreeHugeMovies · 09-05-2007, 01:42 PM

Great thread

davecummings · 09-05-2007, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

OH my eyes

This GFY skin color reminds me of vomit and crap--yikes!

dave

»Rob Content« · 09-05-2007, 09:48 PM

If you run a site you should bill with ccbill, epoch or netbilling. Anything else you are just tossing money away.

uno · 09-05-2007, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings

This GFY skin color reminds me of vomit and crap--yikes!

dave

you should probably go see a doctor.

Mickey Mouse · 09-05-2007, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content

If you run a site you should bill with ccbill, epoch or netbilling. Anything else you are just tossing money away.

PV was a nice alternative payment choice. Seems I have a talent for going with billing companies that will go under from iBill, Paymonde, PV and others. Yet, I won't say anything much bad about PV or any company now that I know "attorneys' are reading" this board!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-05-2007, 11:56 PM

So basically PV has merchants that violated the agreement.
Them guys will be shut down with PV, investigated?

New accounts will be ACH so I guess current accounts that are fair remain intact.

And this makes KB a failure? How?

Mutt · 09-06-2007, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

So basically PV has merchants that violated the agreement.
Them guys will be shut down with PV, investigated?

New accounts will be ACH so I guess current accounts that are fair remain intact.

And this makes KB a failure? How?

i think it's not too far of a reach to speculate from that letter that they lost their merchant account(s).

now since there are attorneys reading this thread - the above is MY opinion not a fact and I bear no malice towards anybody!

davecummings · 09-06-2007, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

you should probably go see a doctor.

You're probably right! I don't know whether to see an Internist or an Eye Doctor---gotta run, this skin color is killing these old eyes of mine:-))

dave

sltr · 09-06-2007, 08:10 AM

i would hope the purevanilla *attorney(s)* are knee-deep in sorting out the fraud and not trying to determine whether or not they have been libeled in this thread.

but kb did said that's what they're doing.

Mickey Mouse · 09-06-2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

So basically PV has merchants that violated the agreement.
Them guys will be shut down with PV, investigated?

I think it's a bit more complicated than many may realize. Clips4sale uses PV so every Tom, Dick, and Harriet who uses C4S has access automatically to PV--even though they might not even be aware of it or even know what PV is. C4S is a great site (word to the watching attorneys), but they cater to the average folks that have no clue what they are doing--the average Joe on the street that got a new video camera for Xmas, shot their sister in the shower getting humped by daddy and is looking to make millions with their masterpiece but has no clue what to do next. When PV talks about clients earning large sums of money via them I would imagine C4S must be "the" client as they are just a portal representing many thousands of clueless overnight porn-masters with content, but no clue how to sell it nor what is and isn't appropriate.

TheAmericanCannibal · 09-06-2007, 10:26 AM

Clips For Sale is a great affiliate for pV-

Speculation is just that. People can speculate all they want, but no one knows the situation at hand. Only employees are privy to this confidential information.

This is a unique situation, and one that I hope can be fixed very soon.
My affiliates know that I work my ass off for them, and every one of them knows they get paid on time.

Last night J$tyle$ and I were having dinner with Berg from Red Light and Mark from Blazing Bucks after the Anti -Piracy meeting. J told me he had received a call from a webmaster who he referred to pV two mos ago ( and never got set up or integrated in my system) The webmaster makes a comment to J$tyle$ that "he is glad he didn't go with pV as an option"

J$tyle$ told this particular webmaster " why? you are stupid for not getting up with them mos ago and making $$$ from all the free sales they were sending!"

To which Blazing Bucks Mark and Jon (Red Light)Berg both agreed- they are also two of my great affiliates who have been making money as well as my friends.

Everyone who knows me and endured me calling on them, knows what I told them over a year and half ago.

My pitch was simple, in addition to selling the strengths of having an anonymous biller I told each and every one of my affiliates " Look, this company is well funded, and while the business model is different , as long as we are paying and sending you traffic, what do u have to lose?"

I know this company has done everything they said they would do from the beginning for not only myself but affiliates as well.

I have been working as the VP of Sales for this company and have been working with them for over a year and a half. I am NOT their Marketing person or PR guy as many here are saying. Our VP of Marketing is Kathy Kennedy and many here have dealt with her.

Anyone who knows me, and knows what I do, should realize that's quite a feat for me to be not only an EMPLOYEE, but one that has been there for over a year and a half! When I started with pV we didn't have one customer.
That is 100% true. When you look at the list of participating websites on my site, that is all of my hard work.

I believe we can resolve this problem, and if we cannot- I will be the first to wave the white flag, surrender, and thank everyone for the opportunity to pay them off of FREE traffic we sent them lol!

This isn't over, and while it may not look too good for pV right now- I know intelligent webmasters will always come back.

This is a very forgiving business, and we are not like other payment companies who lost their processing and stiffed everyone- all of our affiliates are paid up to date and will continue getting paid on future sales off of accounts that still have funds and ACH, which is exactly where I was at a year and a half ago when we didn't have a credit card mid.

I thank everyone for their support and patience through this hard time and I look forward to hopefully making a post soon that is more optimistic.

Regards,

KB

09-05-2007, 10:02 AM	#1
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	KB + purevanilla = failure............ Dear Pure Vanilla Merchant: It has recently come to our attention that certain Merchants have attempted to use their Pure Vanilla account(s), in conjunction with credit cards, in a manner prohibited under the Pure Vanilla Merchant Agreement and posted Pure Vanilla Operating Procedures. This has prompted Pure Vanilla to conduct an investigation of these violations, as the practices of these Merchants are considered a risk to Pure Vanilla and our Members. Pure Vanilla takes the welfare of its Merchants and Members in high regard, and any subversive activities to undermine this is a matter of serious concern. All new Pure Vanilla accounts will be ACH funded and recurring billings only authorized through verified consumer checking accounts. We appreciate your patience and support during this time and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. It is an unfortunate situation that causes for quick and effective handling, which we know you would understand. IMPORTANT: All Pure Vanilla account holders (Members) are still able to redeem their cards at your Merchant site ? do not inactivate Pure Vanilla in any way. We continue to process payments made by Pure Vanilla account holders to our merchants. This matter only affects the opening and loading of Member accounts, not the redemption or use of Pure Vanilla accounts. Please contact us directly with any questions. Thank you Brian Butrym Integration Specialist Pure Vanilla (212) 991-1047 x123 www.purevanilla.com hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaha __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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sltr Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,191	i would hope the purevanilla attorney(s) are knee-deep in sorting out the fraud and not trying to determine whether or not they have been libeled in this thread. but kb did said that's what they're doing.

09-06-2007, 10:26 AM	#47
TheAmericanCannibal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,072	Clips For Sale is a great affiliate for pV- Speculation is just that. People can speculate all they want, but no one knows the situation at hand. Only employees are privy to this confidential information. This is a unique situation, and one that I hope can be fixed very soon. My affiliates know that I work my ass off for them, and every one of them knows they get paid on time. Last night J$tyle$ and I were having dinner with Berg from Red Light and Mark from Blazing Bucks after the Anti -Piracy meeting. J told me he had received a call from a webmaster who he referred to pV two mos ago ( and never got set up or integrated in my system) The webmaster makes a comment to J$tyle$ that "he is glad he didn't go with pV as an option" J$tyle$ told this particular webmaster " why? you are stupid for not getting up with them mos ago and making $$$ from all the free sales they were sending!" To which Blazing Bucks Mark and Jon (Red Light)Berg both agreed- they are also two of my great affiliates who have been making money as well as my friends. Everyone who knows me and endured me calling on them, knows what I told them over a year and half ago. My pitch was simple, in addition to selling the strengths of having an anonymous biller I told each and every one of my affiliates " Look, this company is well funded, and while the business model is different , as long as we are paying and sending you traffic, what do u have to lose?" I know this company has done everything they said they would do from the beginning for not only myself but affiliates as well. I have been working as the VP of Sales for this company and have been working with them for over a year and a half. I am NOT their Marketing person or PR guy as many here are saying. Our VP of Marketing is Kathy Kennedy and many here have dealt with her. Anyone who knows me, and knows what I do, should realize that's quite a feat for me to be not only an EMPLOYEE, but one that has been there for over a year and a half! When I started with pV we didn't have one customer. That is 100% true. When you look at the list of participating websites on my site, that is all of my hard work. I believe we can resolve this problem, and if we cannot- I will be the first to wave the white flag, surrender, and thank everyone for the opportunity to pay them off of FREE traffic we sent them lol! This isn't over, and while it may not look too good for pV right now- I know intelligent webmasters will always come back. This is a very forgiving business, and we are not like other payment companies who lost their processing and stiffed everyone- all of our affiliates are paid up to date and will continue getting paid on future sales off of accounts that still have funds and ACH, which is exactly where I was at a year and a half ago when we didn't have a credit card mid. I thank everyone for their support and patience through this hard time and I look forward to hopefully making a post soon that is more optimistic. Regards, KB