Why NATS over the CCBill Affilliate program?

[kesey]

Hey Guys,

I hesitate to ask this question because I know it's going to sound stupid to some of you but. . . . Why, as an affilliate sending traffic to pay sites for conversions, why do you guys prefer NATS over something like the CCBill affilliate program?

Better reports? Just want to know what you guys think.

Thanks.

Kesey

We Be Lez

[TheDoc]

They are night and day products, very hard to say why a webmaster would choose one over the other. But I wouldn't say NATS Programs are more popular than CCBill programs.

Most NATS programs have several sites, several different types of tools, a huge world of Webmaster things to help them. Well past the current CCBill Program.

CCBill is trusted by Webmasters. CCBill program owners often focus on the Site/Members more since they don't have to deal with Payouts, Webmaster Issues, Support...

The only webmaster issue I know of with CCBill is the tracking is cookie based or something like that. So unless the Program setups his own redirect links it isn't as good? I don't know, I get checks from CCBill and NATS programs, all the same to me.

[Fucking myself]

I think it pretty much comes down to better stats and more options. As a program owner, NATS runs the program more efficiently. Allows us to offer things like ePassporte payouts, reward points, better tracking and link coding to name a few. Better management of our program by NATS also allows us to concentrate more resources and manpower to new projects and marketing materials. Takes some of the power away from CCBill as well in that we control the traffic through our own domains instead of all traffic going through CCBill refer code first.
Just my 2 cents.

[martinsc]

because i hate checks....

[notoldschool]

cascading billing, better stats, tools, blah, blah, blah... Most importantly you will lose a ton of surfers who have conectivity issues with ccbill join pages.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

cascading billing, better stats, tools, blah, blah, blah... Most importantly you will lose a ton of surfers who have conectivity issues with ccbill join pages.

Doesn't the new CCBill version have cascading?

[Shoplifter]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

cascading billing, better stats, tools, blah, blah, blah... Most importantly you will lose a ton of surfers who have conectivity issues with ccbill join pages.

Yah interesting. We have recently started to consider using NATS just so we can have control over the design and accessability of our join pages.

[CC]

As an affiliate, I prefer CCBill. Why? Because I trust them more, plain and simple.

[kesey]

So what's a good break-point dollar amount to start giving an affilliate bonuses for signups? And how much of a bonus should you give? Seriously now, guys. I can't give away the profit. But I don't mind sharing more when more is made.

Kesey

[Damian_Maxcash]

I am not a NATS fan - but I dont think they would screw us on purpose.

If there was a hole before I am sure they dealt with it the best way they felt fit.

I dont deal with direct CCBill sponsors as they dont deal with non US affiliates as well as I would like.

They are just not convienient for most non US affiliates.... its hard work.

CCBlill are great if they appear on your sponsors list. If they have a few more procs then I feel better.

[BV]

don't lump all CCBill sponsors together

some are way more advanced than others, even as good or better than some NATS sponsors

this thread is stupid

[Dirty F]

I never was able to say that a site using Nats convert better or anything. Or vice versa. No matter how much cascading billing.

I personally don't give a shit if a site uses Nats.

[Zorgman]

After the recent news, im leaning more towards CCbill. But I still like NATS for its features of outputting links codes, hosted galleries.

[BV]

Name one NATS sponsor that has any size hosted thumb you want......

on the fly....

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BV

Name one NATS sponsor that has any size hosted thumb you want......

on the fly....

Panchodog might.. I'm sure some others do. The thing with NATS is we can. We can build/add on any tool we can dream up, without needing the source code to add it in.

[BV]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Panchodog might.. I'm sure some others do. The thing with NATS is we can. We can build/add on any tool we can dream up, without needing the source code to add it in.

might don't count


you can build/add on any tool you can dream up with CCBill as well. And it will always be better because it is 3rd party.

[Finike]

I am participating in a CCBill cascading billing test program and it works perfectly. Affiliates get paid from CCBill when they sign up with Epoch!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BV

might don't count


you can build/add on any tool you can dream up with CCBill as well. And it will always be better because it is 3rd party.

Might, is because I haven't looked but I know they have greatly changed the way NATS works.

I don't remember being able to add in anything I want to ccbill. I might be able to make up a new tool, but I can't say create a whitelabel system all managed through the backend. I haven't seen flash movie generators for CCBill that are intergrated in..

I'm not talking about a new banner promo tool, I'm talking about new software. Like I can rebuild my entire hosted gallery system to function how I want.

The technical abilities of CCBill aren't in the same ball park as NATS.

NATS is 3rd party.

[BV]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Might, is because I haven't looked but I know they have greatly changed the way NATS works.

I don't remember being able to add in anything I want to ccbill. I might be able to make up a new tool, but I can't say create a whitelabel system all managed through the backend. I haven't seen flash movie generators for CCBill that are intergrated in..

I'm not talking about a new banner promo tool, I'm talking about new software. Like I can rebuild my entire hosted gallery system to function how I want.

The technical abilities of CCBill aren't in the same ball park as NATS.

NATS is 3rd party.

LOL
You're very mistaken.
NATS is NOT 3rd party.

and any tool that nats has (or doesn't have) you can do with ccbill,
You just have to have the "know how".

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

cascading billing, better stats, tools, blah, blah, blah... Most importantly you will lose a ton of surfers who have conectivity issues with ccbill join pages.

What he said... On every point.

Despite what has happened here publicly with NATS... It is still smarter.

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by kesey

Hey Guys,

I hesitate to ask this question because I know it's going to sound stupid to some of you but. . . . Why, as an affilliate sending traffic to pay sites for conversions, why do you guys prefer NATS over something like the CCBill affilliate program?

Better reports? Just want to know what you guys think.

Thanks.

Kesey

We Be Lez

Prefer?


I prefer a program with sites that make me money, regardless of the backend

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by kesey

Hey Guys,

I hesitate to ask this question because I know it's going to sound stupid to some of you but. . . . Why, as an affilliate sending traffic to pay sites for conversions, why do you guys prefer NATS over something like the CCBill affilliate program?

Better reports? Just want to know what you guys think.

Thanks.

Kesey

We Be Lez

BTW, if this is a fishing expedition on whether a script will make you more money or get you more affiliates, it won't

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BV

LOL
You're very mistaken.
NATS is NOT 3rd party.

and any tool that nats has (or doesn't have) you can do with ccbill,
You just have to have the "know how".

The TMM website says NATS is a 3rd party software backend.

And I haven't seen a CCBill program with half the NATS features, so it may be able to do everything but nobody is doing it. Much like NATS programs don't have thumbnails that can be any size..

[yumma]

i like ccbill stats - clean and correct!

[The Sultan Of Smut]

Why not use Nats with CCBill as the processor; I ever recall someone mentioning that you can still have CCBill handle the payments.

With this setup you can add other processors at a later date and not have all your affiliates change links.

[PornDiscounts-R]

Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut

Why not use Nats with CCBill as the processor; I ever recall someone mentioning that you can still have CCBill handle the payments.

With this setup you can add other processors at a later date and not have all your affiliates change links.

I dont think that is correct. Not yet anyway. I know TMM is working on a solution like that, so fx ccbill can hadle the payments and keep the webmasters feeling secure even with new and smaller programs.
Wich could be a big issue today, letting new and small programs handle your income.

Only aff software i know of at this time that can do this is the one from aWiz http://am.awizsoft.com/

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by BV

Name one NATS sponsor that has any size hosted thumb you want......

on the fly....

pancho and many others, we have 5 sizes most used like 88x88 and a really nice backend - many aff told me that already, some ccbill programs are just that some have a lot of tools fhg exporter etc pancho spunky solar and many others, and above all www.nubiles.net theyre ccbill and have the best backend ive seen

[justsexxx]

Originally Posted by thebestamateur

I dont think that is correct. Not yet anyway. I know TMM is working on a solution like that, so fx ccbill can hadle the payments and keep the webmasters feeling secure even with new and smaller programs.
Wich could be a big issue today, letting new and small programs handle your income.

Only aff software i know of at this time that can do this is the one from aWiz http://am.awizsoft.com/

You are wrong. I helped setting up a program, and also added the option ccbill only. In NATS you have to signup for a NATS account(and you can merge it) and it creates a special nats link for you.

When you send traffic to that nats-link, you was paid by ccbill,(under your 'main' ccbill account) and referers/hits/uniques whatever were tracked by NATS....

However, cascade billing is in that case not possible.
If anyone wants help setting such program up in NATS, feel free to contact me. I'm available for freelance work

[Violetta]

Ccbiill is easier for small programs with less cash. Nats is for the big guys with their pocket full of dimes

[PornDiscounts-R]

Originally Posted by justsexxx

You are wrong. I helped setting up a program, and also added the option ccbill only. In NATS you have to signup for a NATS account(and you can merge it) and it creates a special nats link for you.

When you send traffic to that nats-link, you was paid by ccbill,(under your 'main' ccbill account) and referers/hits/uniques whatever were tracked by NATS....

However, cascade billing is in that case not possible.
If anyone wants help setting such program up in NATS, feel free to contact me. I'm available for freelance work

When i had that talk with John, it was in regards to cacade as that would be one of the big reasons to get it ( or any of the other options )
And he said they did not have it setup yet. But as you say it was with use of the cacade.
Should have said that in my first post, so thanks for making that clear. And must say, i dident know what you are saying was an option.
So only good news for anyone thinking about it.
I know there are several that are holding back from the larger systems only because of the pyment issue.

[GigoloMason]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Doesn't the new CCBill version have cascading?

They keep bouncing around on it. At the moment I think select beta programs have it but I don't think it's avalable across the board yet. I could be wrong though, although either way it looks like it will be a feature in the near future if it's not already.

[corvette]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Most importantly you will lose a ton of surfers who have conectivity issues with ccbill join pages.

I have to comment on this. We take all steps possible to make sure that our join pages are quickly available around the world, including recently implementing a content delivery network to serve our signup page content. If you have any examples of connectivity issues with our join pages, please send that info to [email protected] asap. I would be very interested.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by BV

might don't count


you can build/add on any tool you can dream up with CCBill as well. And it will always be better because it is 3rd party.

Just because you dont have the know how to set up a back end for your proggie does not make ccbill programs better. I thought the same thing before I knew what i was doing as well.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by corvette

I have to comment on this. We take all steps possible to make sure that our join pages are quickly available around the world, including recently implementing a content delivery network to serve our signup page content. If you have any examples of connectivity issues with our join pages, please send that info to [email protected] asap. I would be very interested.

Hey corvette, I love ccbill dont get me wrong, they were my income for the first couple of years in the industry but try using a ccbill join page behind a linksys router and you will see what I mean. Same goes for logging in to see your stats. Surfers surely have the same problem and alot of people use those routers.

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by Finike

I am participating in a CCBill cascading billing test program and it works perfectly. Affiliates get paid from CCBill when they sign up with Epoch!

amazing!

[corvette]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Hey corvette, I love ccbill dont get me wrong, they were my income for the first couple of years in the industry but try using a ccbill join page behind a linksys router and you will see what I mean. Same goes for logging in to see your stats. Surfers surely have the same problem and alot of people use those routers.

i cant imagine why our signup pages would react differently to surfers computers compared to other https signup pages (ie epoch or verotel for instance)

in any regard, im getting a report on this issue

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by corvette

i cant imagine why our signup pages would react differently to surfers computers compared to other https signup pages (ie epoch or verotel for instance)

in any regard, im getting a report on this issue

me either. The problem occurs though. i have been dealing with it for years. The join pages and admin login time out when used behind lynksys routers. Most people wont know how to open up ports to stop this either. I have tried from many different computers and its always the same problem. i actually dropped them as my primary for just that reason.

[corvette]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

me either. The problem occurs though. i have been dealing with it for years. The join pages and admin login time out when used behind lynksys routers. Most people wont know how to open up ports to stop this either. I have tried from many different computers and its always the same problem. i actually dropped them as my primary for just that reason.

can you leave contact info or drop me an email please? i may need to get an example for our techs. i just want to be prepared if they ask, thanks in advance

[email protected]

[sortie]

CCbill is great!

If a new sponsor uses ccbill then I am more likely to sign up since all transactions go thru a 3rd party(ccbill). I'm not giving some fly by night operations my private data and all my ccbill sponsors can be consolidated into one account.

When using hosted content from many sponsors ccbill has an advantage for the small webmaster because all the accounts can be merged and thus allowing for a faster payout of your total sign ups across all sponsors.

[Mark_E4A]

Originally Posted by BV

don't lump all CCBill sponsors together

some are way more advanced than others, even as good or better than some NATS sponsors

this thread is stupid

I agree with you totally, aslong as you know ccbill and how it works, you can make a shitload of awesome tools.

My experiance with nats was not a good one, i get 2/3 more sales on my own with JUST ccbill. ( something about a double join stage i assume )

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by corvette

can you leave contact info or drop me an email please? i may need to get an example for our techs. i just want to be prepared if they ask, thanks in advance

[email protected]

I have spoken to your techs about this situation many times over the years and I dont believe it will help if I personally adress the issue again. Tell your techs to buy a linksys router and try to login to the admin, then try the same for a ccbill join page. Im not saying it happens with everyone, but im saying that it happens everytime I have tried. I love ccbill as a company. You guys are always helpfull, always thinking of security for your customers, and you send my wire and checks every monday like clockwork. I just cant leave you as my primary when other billers join pages sail through routers. I look forward to seeing how the mpa3 integration goes because I know this doesnt happen with them.

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

I agree with you totally, aslong as you know ccbill and how it works, you can make a shitload of awesome tools.

My experiance with nats was not a good one, i get 2/3 more sales on my own with JUST ccbill. ( something about a double join stage i assume )

anything is possible but that is not the norm.

[Mark_E4A]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

anything is possible but that is not the norm.

I just find it much better sending straight to the ccbill sign up page rather then to the unsecure nats sign up page.

something about having to fill in ANY info on an unsecure page..
just to be redirected to the biller

why not send straight to the biller in the first place?

I did ALOT of testing between the 2 ( as some of you know ) and the outcome was crazy

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

I did ALOT of testing between the 2 ( as some of you know ) and the outcome was crazy

And what does the outcome being crazy prove? BTW http://www.e4acash.com/sitecaps/amateurwife.jpg image is missing on this page http://www.e4acash.com/affiliates.html



I think it has to do with most people with a ccbill program arent programing literate enough to apply the software.

[Mark_E4A]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

And what does the outcome being crazy prove? BTW http://www.e4acash.com/sitecaps/amateurwife.jpg image is missing on this page http://www.e4acash.com/affiliates.html



I think it has to do with most people with a ccbill program arent programing literate enough to apply the software.

the outcome was more sales with just ccbill, quite a bit more.

thx about the image, just noticed that

as for the software, it was all set up properly and all, i had the nats guys ont he phone many times going over it all and it was set up right, they couldnt see anything wrong.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by CC

As an affiliate, I prefer CCBill. Why? Because I trust them more, plain and simple.

althought i dont promote many ccbill programs i agree with this. One of my goals for 2008 is to even out the number of standalone programs and ccbill programs im promoting.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

the outcome was more sales with just ccbill, quite a bit more.

thx about the image, just noticed that

as for the software, it was all set up properly and all, i had the nats guys ont he phone many times going over it all and it was set up right, they couldnt see anything wrong.

If you saw less income after installing an affiliate backend it most likely came from you not having your linking correct somewhere which is highly propable with a newbie to the software.

Or in your case, being a smaller program, you most likely have select niche affiliates who are old school and didnt want you fucking up their linking so they dropped you. Im sure if you would have stuck with it and grown instead of give up on it you would have seen a huge jump in promotion.

BTW how long did you use the NATS install?

[candyflip]

For me, it's the tools you can offer to affiliates. That's the main reason I would consider a move to NATS.

With the big blowup recently, I'm just going to be a bit more patient and see what CCBill has to offer when they're new setup is released. Hopefully it won't be another 3 years.

[snaker]

Originally Posted by Finike

I am participating in a CCBill cascading billing test program and it works perfectly. Affiliates get paid from CCBill when they sign up with Epoch!

How is this Epoch cascade working for you, CCbill you primary?

[Mark_E4A]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

If you saw less income after installing an affiliate backend it most likely came from you not having your linking correct somewhere which is highly propable with a newbie to the software.

this is what i was on the phone with them about, this and everything, many times, so if they saw nothing wrong anywhere and all my test signups worked, how would it not be set up right?

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Or in your case, being a smaller program, you most likely have select niche affiliates who are old school and didnt want you fucking up their linking so they dropped you. Im sure if you would have stuck with it and grown instead of give up on it you would have seen a huge jump in promotion.

I spoke with a high number of my affilaites about going back to ccbill and they were actually happy about it after i showed them my stats/tests

Originally Posted by notoldschool

BTW how long did you use the NATS install?

I gave it 8 months with no luck, the day i switched back, sales went up again


8 months is not a huge ammount of time, but i have been running paysites for 8 years now and my wife has been doing it since 1996, we both never seen anything like this before ( the stats we saw )

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

8 months is not a huge ammount of time, but i have been running paysites for 8 years now and my wife has been doing it since 1996, we both never seen anything like this before ( the stats we saw )

I agree 8 months is long enough to know something is not right. It also seems obvious by your statement that something was wrong because if the sales jumped that quickly then links were not working correctly. It happens to the best of them.

BTW i am pretty familiar with your network and the length of time you have been on the net, but being around for a long time does not make you more knowledgeable in this case. Its proven every day as the old school sites traffic plummets with their lack of understanding of the tech side of the biz. IMO it was easy in the start for these sites but as the competetion has grown they have not been able to adapt. Im speaking in general of course. This of course is not always the case.