100% valid cards declined at sponsors

[Matyko]

-=- 50 scrubbing -=-

[SpicyM]

I got an email from a surfer on one of my AVS sites, he is claiming he cant join, tried several times in different days, his CC (Visa) gets always declined... fuck!

[BVF]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Why somoone from CCbill don't say something?

What the fuck are they supposed to say? What could they say to make YOU feel better about your sales?...

Fuck man....Shit happens....There are some sites that won't take my card ever and they're not adult sites...

Sales are down for other reasons besides some foreigners cards being declined....

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by BVF

Sales are down for other reasons besides some foreigners cards being declined....

Don't know about you man, but those "foreigners" were 1/3 of my customers, and now they can't buy memberships.. That's why ratios decreased so much. From the sponsors stats (which have ability to show me country of subscription), from 21th day i see only US subscriptions. Sponsor uses epoch as main billing, so that's a pretty big problem for people, you know. There are still lot's of people who are willing to pay for porn membership.. But if we will not allow them to do that, they will just join army of tubers and torrenters

[Ramp]

I did some tests too

I managed to get 2 membership of 3 sites.

[bdld]

yeah that was the exact date sales started decreasing, it has to be a billing issue.

[signbucks]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Sponsors, affiliates, please confirm or comment, this is much more serious than any MJ threads... So far everybody confirmed to me that 20th was last "good" day, and as of 21th everything went pure shit...

We are doomed!!! :P

the same here
20 - ok
21 - almost nothing
22 - ok

[Blackamooka]

My ratios didn't start going to shit until the 24th. Same exact thing happened last month too.

[greg80]

deamn.... I have same problem, since 20th sales are way down. And my sponsor also has multiple processors

Originally Posted by nickutis

I just tried to signup on another sponsor, wich let's you to choose wich processor should bill customer

EPOCH --- VISA and MC declined
CCBILL --- VISA and MC declined
NETCASH - VISA and MC declined
SEGPAY -- VISA declined, MC approved

To make the situation even worse, sponsor didn't counted this sale, LOL..

[korke]

bump for bump

[greg1]

bump +10000

[SteveHardeman]

My program runs on CCBill.

I just ran some reports on declines for the period of 6/14 thru 6/20 and then 6/21 thru 6/27.

They're almost identical. Both in actual numbers and in % of total attempts. No material difference. I'm just one program but those are our stats.

[~Ray]

maybe you don't get credit for check sales and they are making people go through that gateway?

maybe they are scrubbing "non english" countries to their own referral codes.

read their TOS and look for updates.

[Jay-Rock]

Sucks man I didn't even make enough to cover my hosting bill this month. After bandwidth cost, affiliates, & splitting my profit with the model. There is nothing left.

This industry is doomed if this keeps up.

[tonyparra]

High ratios? Didnt notice sorry. Im doing 1:27.2 this month. Thanks for yous time.

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

High ratios? Didnt notice sorry. Im doing 1:27.2 this month. Thanks for yous time.

well my AVS program shows im converting 1:50 and better, but hey - it only shows join clicks, and in reality it's more like 1:3000+ sale to unique

[alias]

Originally Posted by nickutis

I just tried to signup on another sponsor, wich let's you to choose wich processor should bill customer

EPOCH --- VISA and MC declined
CCBILL --- VISA and MC declined
NETCASH - VISA and MC declined
SEGPAY -- VISA declined, MC approved

To make the situation even worse, sponsor didn't counted this sale, LOL..

Good times!

[alias]

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Sucks man I didn't even make enough to cover my hosting bill this month. After bandwidth cost, affiliates, & splitting my profit with the model. There is nothing left.

This industry is doomed if this keeps up.

Fucking ouch.

[DWB]

I stopped trying to join porn sites for 2 reasons:

1) No reason to pay anymore, I can get it all for free.
2) None of the billers will take my CC anymore. No idea why. Fuck 'em.

[alias]

This is a major issue.

[Diomed]

Keep an eye on those test joins that went through,

you can bet your sweet ass in times like these some programs are trying to make up for lost ground by resorting to shady billing tactics and unauthorized charges.. and no not the usual suspects either.

[bdeforest]

I know a few US banks that are auto declining transactions, either because they are high risk, or they are being processed outside of the US. I suspect part of this is being caused by the US forcing all internet gambling off shore. This is just another reason on top of every other reason that credit card declines are getting worse.

[skeet]

too many xsells, too many calls to the issuing banks. All of a sudden issuers start scrubbing hard. This type of activity will effect all IPSP merchants.

Also, not to mention the credit card defaults are climbing. Higher scrubs...

Does any one remember then AMEX stopped processing for adult IPSPs? I know why and I know it for a fact. too many calls the the AMEX call center about iBill and CCBILL charges and not being able to tie the charges to a URL with out contacting the merchant. Card holders where overloading the call center. I know/knew some of the people in the call center at AMEX when it all went down.

[webmasterchecks]

its not about ccbill, people point at ccbill imo because they are the biggest

the credit card industry has tighted up a lot in recent months, i think the toll on consumers is showing

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Sucks man I didn't even make enough to cover my hosting bill this month. After bandwidth cost, affiliates, & splitting my profit with the model. There is nothing left.

This industry is doomed if this keeps up.

sorry to hear.... wish I could say 'hang in there, things will get better for the industry'

[corvette]

Hi, because our name was mentioned, if anyone notices any issues with their decline stats, sales issues, etc, please do not hesitate to contact our client support department or [email protected]

We will immediately investigate and get back to you

-Mark
45471840

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Sucks man I didn't even make enough to cover my hosting bill this month. After bandwidth cost, affiliates, & splitting my profit with the model. There is nothing left.

This industry is doomed if this keeps up.

Damn man and your content is good too.....

However, since you are a content shooter and not just an affiliate, I must remind you of two words that you must constantly run your business by....They are:

1. More
2. New

In good times and in bad, keep bringing the new girls....You should be just like the Mailman when it comes to content....And since day one, I have lived by the two words and this motto:

"Neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow, nor wind, nor dead of night will keep me from bringing more new hoes"

You do that and somehow, someway, you'll figure out a way to eat...

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by corvette

Hi, because our name was mentioned, if anyone notices any issues with their decline stats, sales issues, etc, please do not hesitate to contact our client support department or [email protected]

We will immediately investigate and get back to you

-Mark
45471840

you are so huge company, i can't believe you don't track your overall-total ratios and don't see a decrease in the sales and declining ratio?

[Fucksakes]

I went from making 1:500 to 1:10,000

normally making 10-40$ a sale, latly I am making 1 sale a day. compared to 15-20.

and this happened all of a sudden aound the time you claim.

[12clicks]

if any of you want a job taking care of my lawn, I'm a little pissed at the company that does it now.

from the guess work and comments from most of you, it doesn't seem like you're cut out for porn

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by nickutis

you are so huge company, i can't believe you don't track your overall-total ratios and don't see a decrease in the sales and declining ratio?

what I find interesting is that you're doing "test transactions" on sites you don't own.
and you're wondering why your card is being declined?

[commonsense]

Are all you jackasses selling the same things? Haven't seen any declines at all.

Sales are UP

[Klen]

Originally Posted by commonsense

Are all you jackasses selling the same things? Haven't seen any declines at all.

Sales are UP

Maybe you promote sponsors with vsxbill proccessor.

[Matyko]

Everything rocks since 3rd July. My sales are like near Xmas !!!

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

what I find interesting is that you're doing "test transactions" on sites you don't own.
and you're wondering why your card is being declined?

are you saying i have to be a site owner to get my card approved? Ghmm how do other surfers joins site then?

[nikki99]

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by nickutis

you are so huge company, i can't believe you don't track your overall-total ratios and don't see a decrease in the sales and declining ratio?

It is true that ccbill is biggest and have best sites, but ratios jumped for me.I know that it is 10 th july today, but just compare conversions. Print screen taken from my nifty stats for july. There must be other people seeing this. Personally, I don't have a problem, but it would be ok that CCbill finally tell us what's their plan and for how long they will continue to reject cards?(if that is a problem). thanks

[nickutis]

Somebody please explain why 192 sponsors at the same day started to convert at least 2x worse ?

July 9th and july 10th - wtf?

[SBJ]

there is nothing wrong with ccbill that is for sure! My sales have been amazing this week from my newest site and it is mainly affiliate sales since the site is too new to get that much direct traffic.

My tgps that are 90% ccbill sites are the same as they have been week in and week out too.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by nickutis

are you saying i have to be a site owner to get my card approved? Ghmm how do other surfers joins site then?

man, you're a bit clueless.

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

man, you're a bit clueless.

yes sir, please explain to the dork.

[TheDoc]

Have you called your bank yet to see why the card is being declined?

With this many failed attempts now, my card here would be shut off.


It's not ccbill/epoch... It's the banks. The banks control your declines. If the guy is putting the info in correctly, address/zip and card are real... CCBill is going to approve that card - the question is, will the bank?


Those days your sales dropped, it could have been major Internet issues, or when NK started to DDOS everyone or it could be MJ or it could be a big storm that is going across the states.

Hell, one of the banks could have been down. That happens too.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by nickutis

I just tried to signup on another sponsor, wich let's you to choose wich processor should bill customer

EPOCH --- VISA and MC declined
CCBILL --- VISA and MC declined
NETCASH - VISA and MC declined
SEGPAY -- VISA declined, MC approved

To make the situation even worse, sponsor didn't counted this sale, LOL..

Goddamn! Call da black Jesus.

[Dirty Dane]

Did someone push the button again? Sales and rebills were ok again, and suddenly... nada?

[Angelslinks]

people point at ccbill imo because they are the biggest

No, because many webmasters have their sites built up on 90% ccbill sponsors and the like.

I am experience 0 sales everyday since the beginning of September, and this while my non-ccbill sponsors works very good with ratios like 1:200 and such.

Why would the bank decline sales coming from ccbill only and not NATS sponsors?

[ajrocks]

Chances are you triggered fraud scrubbing with the billing company. Did you use the same computer to register to the affilaite program as you used for the test sign ups? Most cases that will get the transactions blocked. This is to prevent affiliates from running trial scams and such.

[hawkadu]

CCBill sucks ass really. Making sales with ccbill is getting nightmare everyday and nobody from ccbill is ready to say anything about their scrubbing.

[HEAT]

It's simple.
Cross sales hell ----> tons of chargebacks and complaints ---> Banks are auto declining transactions from adult billers.
We(billers, sponsors and affiliates) are all responsible.

[SwirlsGirl]

Look those that know don't tell, and those that tell don't know... Although ccbill has a solid reputation and is quite professional, their scrubbing that they will deny to the end is quite a nuisance because of its inconsistency.

We all see the spikes and drops and we all have been studying and analyzing our stats for years and we know that when you have new updates you get a flurry in sales.

So to have hot new updates with increased traffic, and increased join from hits, but near zero sales... c'mon it is painfully obvious to all of us whats going on.

I have seen many threads from webmasters with good cards being denied (mainly thru ccbill) then they come here post about it and get the typical tired response time after time..." we will look into it....why would we scrub to decrease sales.... " its down right insulting.

Not too mention the refunds, chargebacks,voids etc. are doubling and tripling and there does not appear to be any reversal of this trend anytime soon.

Besides just look at Verotel, I have processed between 20-30 sales with them for 2009 and have not received one nickel, nor have I received a return email, or return phone call.

I still see verotel advertising with huge banners on adult industry forums, I mean its like the twilight zone.

So its clear that things are dire and just about everyone is in survival mode, having to do what it takes to pay their own overhead even if it means stiffing merchants.

I don't have any answers but I would be a fool to act oblivious to whats going on.

Sure you could try to get a merchant account to process subscriptions but who is in a position to jump through all of the hoola hoops they require. $1500.00 set up fee... shitload of paperwork...thumbscan...blood sample...etc LOL

[diablom]

I know I raised an old thread, but I think it is time to discuss bank scrub once again. I see worse situation every month since last summer. Ratios are high as never. I tried to join some different paysites using valid VISA and it was always declined. Maybe we may do something about that, or just wait until banks go normal again.