Sucking conversions

[GrouchyAdmin]

Everyone's forced to have really high fraud scrubbing these days. It's not going to get better.

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Everyone's forced to have really high fraud scrubbing these days. It's not going to get better.

I think this could be the reason why it's crap.. BUT WHY THE FUCK SUDDENLY WOULD THE PROCESSORS ENABLE THIS SHIT??

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

I think this could be the reason why it's crap.. BUT WHY THE FUCK SUDDENLY WOULD THE PROCESSORS ENABLE THIS SHIT??

In case you are not aware, many, many banks are dropping out of high risk. Those who have existing relationships are doing what they can to keep them happy upstream.

[LickMyBalls]

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

In case you are not aware, many, many banks are dropping out of high risk. Those who have existing relationships are doing what they can to keep them happy upstream.

Godverdomme Zeg!!

[black1000]

I reduced subscr. price for one of my paysites from $24 to $10 just to check if it had something to do with money and guess what - NOTHING! No sales
I have absolutely no explanation for that. I'm with Verotel and they don't decline transactions

[Bhunter]

Well I sent an e-mail to ccbill with my concerns..

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by patavax

My average for 2008 was 1:324 (raw)
My average for 2009 was: 1:513 (raw)
My average for 2010 is 1:1063 (raw)
My average for May 2010 is 1:1810 (raw)
I have raised my traffic since last year so my revenue is the same as last year...

CCbill's stats ?

[Thomas007]

Originally Posted by nickutis

Hooorrrray to last two days of may!!!

Notice may 19th.

Your day to day variations matches ours.

It points to the billing.

[Roby]

try this sponsor great convert Royal-Cash

[patavax]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

CCbill's stats ?

Well these stats are my mixed stats as I work with +75 sponsors but my 2 main sponsors are ccbill sites to who I send about 80% of my hits.
Since 4 years I make a living with these CCBILL sites so it is not a matter that these sites should not convert as I made tons of money with them and my traffic stream to them was never bigger than this month (I am not talking of sending < 10K of hits per day but much more).

I see I am still converting with other sites but almost NOT with CCBILL.
Funny thing is that I make conversions with NATS sites that made my 1st or 2nd sale for this year (I only send a few hits per day to these sites) but most of my traffic to CCBILL sites does NOT convert since May 16. I mean: I make only 15% of my normal sales and that is absolutely NOT normal.


My main NATS sponsor's conversion ratios:
March 2010: 1:2148
April 2010: 1:1389
May 2010: 1:1021

You see: with the same traffic my conversion ratio is better for May 2010 and thanks to this sponsor I have made some money the last week....


I don't blame anybody but this situation with the ccbill sites is getting out of control.

Are there other webmasters who see the same thing in their conversions with CCBILL sites ???

[Bhunter]

Are there other webmasters who see the same thing in their conversions with CCBILL sites ???

I do.. after the maintenance for EU clients processing provider new sales got reduced by 70%

[patavax]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

I do.. after the maintenance for EU clients processing provider new sales got reduced by 70%

GodXXXXXXXX man,

SCHEDULED MAY 17 MAINTENANCE AFFECTING EU-BASED CLIENTS AND AFFILIATES
Posted May 5th, 2010 15:10:36, by CCBill Management


SCHEDULED MAY 17 MAINTENANCE AFFECTING EU-BASED CLIENTS AND AFFILIATES

The provider that processes credit card transactions for our EU-based clients will be performing a short system maintenance on May 17 between 8:30 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time (1:30 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. Mountain Standard Time).

During this time frame, its online services will be unavailable, and some corresponding transactions for CCBill EU-based clients that occur during the maintenance window will be batched.

Please note: during this short maintenance no transaction data will be lost, and following the maintenance, regular transaction activity will resume.

If you experience any issues or prolonged interruptions of service from this maintenance, please contact CCBill Client Support 24/7 at [email protected], 800-510-2859, or by Live chat.

Many thanks,

CCBill Management

[Bhunter]

now 7 days later.. still 70% down..

same traffic same tour... and ccbill is the last link in the game.. so they may explain!

[patavax]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

now 7 days later.. still 70% down..

same traffic same tour... and ccbill is the last link in the game.. so they may explain!

You are fucking right man!
XXXverdomme nog aan toe!

My dip started on the 16th but that day I made double sales than on the 17th...
And since the 17th I make only a few sign ups per day...
I had my very worst ccbill week last week (from Sunday to last Saturday) since I first started in adult and it is NOT getting better now...
If this situation continues I will have a new record next Saturday...

[Bhunter]

I've sent this morning a e-mail.. they take their time to come up with an answer

************

Hello,

After the maintenance on 17 May I’m seeing a decrease of 70% in new transactions..
I’m also wondering if the fraud scrubbing is set higher since then.. because on my side traffic and layout on my sites has remained untouched.

Is this something that’s affecting only my account?

With kind regards,
Patryk

************

I'm waiting for my fucking reply and I'm fucking ichty today.. but lucky me got an date with an model tonight.. hope she will make me chill.

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by patavax

You are fucking right man!
XXXverdomme nog aan toe!

My dip started on the 16th but that day I made double sales than on the 17th...
And since the 17th I make only a few sign ups per day...
I had my very worst ccbill week last week (from Sunday to last Saturday) since I first started in adult and it is NOT getting better now...
If this situation continues I will have a new record next Saturday...

G-domme!!


If this continues I'll have to start testing Epoch with my own traffic.. and then eventually make that switch from CCbill to Epoch once again.. i did that with succes with my first program. (But I prefer to not do that again)

[patavax]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

I've sent this morning a e-mail.. they take their time to come up with an answer

************

Hello,

After the maintenance on 17 May I?m seeing a decrease of 70% in new transactions..
I?m also wondering if the fraud scrubbing is set higher since then.. because on my side traffic and layout on my sites has remained untouched.

Is this something that?s affecting only my account?

With kind regards,
Patryk

************

I'm waiting for my fucking reply and I'm fucking ichty today.. but lucky me got an date with an model tonight.. hope she will make me chill.

Hey Pat, Let us all know if you get a reply from ccbill. In the meantime I wish you have a good date tonight... but keep your money in the wallet as if this continues you will gonna need it...

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by patavax

Hey Pat, Let us all know if you get a reply from ccbill. In the meantime I wish you have a good date tonight... but keep your money in the wallet as if this continues you will gonna need it...

HAHA.. you're so right!! thank you.


Yes every reply will be posted here!!

[TMM_John]

You guys need to get NATS (or even MPA!) and take control of your business.

Relying one processor no matter who it may be is not a good idea. I've seen customers increase sales & lower ratios dramatically by using 5, 6, 7, or even more different processors depending on geo information, the site, time frame, etc. Its not just a simple matter of being able to go to another processor on a decline, its much more than that. Those who understand and practice this have very good overall ratios.

Plus, putting all of your eggs in one basket, pointing your links/affiliate links at a domain you don't own, and letting a 3rd party own/control your affiliate data is never ever a good idea.

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

You guys need to get NATS (or even MPA!) and take control of your business.

Relying one processor no matter who it may be is not a good idea. I've seen customers increase sales & lower ratios dramatically by using 5, 6, 7, or even more different processors depending on geo information, the site, time frame, etc. Its not just a simple matter of being able to go to another processor on a decline, its much more than that. Those who understand and practice this have very good overall ratios.

Plus, putting all of your eggs in one basket, pointing your links/affiliate links at a domain you don't own, and letting a 3rd party own/control your affiliate data is never ever a good idea.

I know.. I was in contact with both companies.. for me it's not yet the right time to make that switch..

[patavax]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

You guys need to get NATS (or even MPA!) and take control of your business.

Relying one processor no matter who it may be is not a good idea. I've seen customers increase sales & lower ratios dramatically by using 5, 6, 7, or even more different processors depending on geo information, the site, time frame, etc. Its not just a simple matter of being able to go to another processor on a decline, its much more than that. Those who understand and practice this have very good overall ratios.

Plus, putting all of your eggs in one basket, pointing your links/affiliate links at a domain you don't own, and letting a 3rd party own/control your affiliate data is never ever a good idea.

Today I agree.
But the last 5 years I did get my wire with dollars every Tuesday morning from ccbill...
I never had any problem with them untill now...

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by patavax

Today I agree.
But the last 5 years I did get my wire with dollars every Tuesday morning from ccbill...
I never had any problem with them untill now...

CCBill is a fantastic company and run by great people. But, that doesn't mean you don't need a tool to utilize them & others to their full extent.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

I know.. I was in contact with both companies.. for me it's not yet the right time to make that switch..

If there's something we can do to make it easier for you, let us know.

Some people wonder about the switch over.

We always do a full affiliate import & link redirect at no cost when someone gets NATS for their program. Its actually a very easy switch over.

There are a LOT of features in NATS and it can make the admin seem a bit overwhelming at times, but if you are sticking to the basics and setting up a normal standard type affiliate program its actually very easy. On the other hand if you choose to, you can get into every little detail and tweak everything as you like it. The extent is up to you.

[pimp3611]

I'm in the same boat. I'm only seeing a few rebills from ccbill. ZERO sales in a week and I've been growing consistently for quite awhile and this happens.

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by pimp3611

I'm in the same boat. I'm only seeing a few rebills from ccbill. ZERO sales in a week and I've been growing consistently for quite awhile and this happens.

Welcome on the boat my fellow sailor.. let's smoke a pipe and wait till for replies together.

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

If there's something we can do to make it easier for you, let us know.

Some people wonder about the switch over.

We always do a full affiliate import & link redirect at no cost when someone gets NATS for their program. Its actually a very easy switch over.

There are a LOT of features in NATS and it can make the admin seem a bit overwhelming at times, but if you are sticking to the basics and setting up a normal standard type affiliate program its actually very easy. On the other hand if you choose to, you can get into every little detail and tweak everything as you like it. The extent is up to you.

Basic things will do for me .. with several billers..

Someday you or Vlad will hear from me again

[montel]

Imagine Youtube started showing any full length movie you wanted to see. Do you think this would affect DVD / cinema revenue. Cos that is basically what has happened to us.

Can someone remind me why the tube adult sites are allowed to show full length stolen movies? If Youtube pulled this shit with new release movies, they would get shut down pretty quick. Why have we let these guys completely destroy online porn as a business?

[patavax]

Originally Posted by pimp3611

I'm in the same boat. I'm only seeing a few rebills from ccbill. ZERO sales in a week and I've been growing consistently for quite awhile and this happens.

Thanks for the info mate. This situation is really critical.
I am in the process of switching off all sponsors with ccbill on my network.

[Niktamer]

Originally Posted by XPays

we have some niched out invite-only sites that convert. if you would like to see them, please sign up to http://xpays.com and we will activate you.

contact us, we may be interested by your secret weapons.

[Bhunter]

still no reply in the mail.. but ok.. in USA the day just started..

[patavax]

I just get a report from one of my main CCBILL sponsors.

Since May 17 only 5.56% on average of the form submissions makes it to a sale while before May 17 this was 22.87% on average...

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by montel

Imagine Youtube started showing any full length movie you wanted to see. Do you think this would affect DVD / cinema revenue. Cos that is basically what has happened to us.

Can someone remind me why the tube adult sites are allowed to show full length stolen movies? If Youtube pulled this shit with new release movies, they would get shut down pretty quick. Why have we let these guys completely destroy online porn as a business?

Good question, i would say its because the powers that be WANT to destroy the online porn business. Any helpful legislation that arises will come from mainstream i.e. movie industry going after torrents etc.
No one gives a flying fuck about porn, unless their mission is to destroy it.

[pimp3611]

Originally Posted by patavax

Thanks for the info mate. This situation is really critical.
I am in the process of switching off all sponsors with ccbill on my network.

Critical, absolutely.

In my opinion tubes have nothing to do with my situation. I've never complained about tubes, because it's not something I can control. Tubes didn't pop up last week for the first time and start taking my sales.

[patavax]

Originally Posted by pimp3611

Critical, absolutely.

In my opinion tubes have nothing to do with my situation. I've never complained about tubes, because it's not something I can control. Tubes didn't pop up last week for the first time and start taking my sales.

Absolutely right.
We have suffered already from tubes since mid 2008 but since that time my sales were stabile and steady.
This is a much bigger issue.

[AntiChrist]

People just don't signup anymore. It's the number one reason. Face the facts. It's not a CcBill issue.

[patavax]

When it comes to fraud scrubbing:
I did get another report from one of my main ccbill sponsors:

This year I have made 516 new sales, on that number I had 7 chargebacks, 1 void and 1 returned check.

2009: 1526 new sales 8 chargebacks, 4 voids and 9 returned checks.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by patavax

When it comes to fraud scrubbing:
I did get another report from one of my main ccbill sponsors:

This year I have made 516 new sales, on that number I had 7 chargebacks, 1 void and 1 returned check.

2009: 1526 new sales 8 chargebacks, 4 voids and 9 returned checks.

Credit Crunch. Chargebacks are up. Times are tougher.

[patavax]

Originally Posted by Shap

Credit Crunch. Chargebacks are up. Times are tougher.

I just wanted to make a statement that I DO NOT have too many chargebacks, voids and returned checks. Only a very small percentage...

[The Porn Nerd]

FYI:
I run 20+ paysites (see sig). 7 or 8 make consistent sales, 4 or 5 make occassional sales and the rest (all sites 3+ years old with no updates) act as 'bonus sites'.

The 7 or 8 sites that make sales every day range from 1 sale up to 15 sales per day. So an 'average' day means, network-wide, 40+ sales. A "good" day and it's closer to 100 sales per day.

Since Sunday (the 1st day of the billing week for CCBill) until this very second:
11 sales in 3 days, network-wide.

Traffic is the same (even UP in some cases).

Finally, knowing that I would have a TON of traffic hitting today (20,000+ uniques) hitting my best-converting website (Fellucia Blow) I switched my Cascade from CCBill to Epoch at midnight (Tuesday). Wake up, 8,000+ uniques.....2 sales.

With that kind of traffic we would expect 15+ sales.

So i switched back to CCBill 2 hours ago. 35 form hits = 0 sales.

Denials HAVE been off the charts lately but this is fucking insanity. I did this test today/last night, with this website with these traffic sources because, if this were a month ago, even two weeks ago, we would've seen mass sales. NOTHING has changed in the above equation - NOTHING - and when you have months and months of data, over 2 million visitors, etc that proves incredible machine-like consistency then THIS happens you know something is very, very fucked up (with both CCBill and Epoch).


Today? Bullshit.

So i dunno guys....time to ask Tony Parra for some Subway applications.

[patavax]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

FYI:
I run 20+ paysites (see sig). 7 or 8 make consistent sales, 4 or 5 make occassional sales and the rest (all sites 3+ years old with no updates) act as 'bonus sites'.

The 7 or 8 sites that make sales every day range from 1 sale up to 15 sales per day. So an 'average' day means, network-wide, 40+ sales. A "good" day and it's closer to 100 sales per day.

Since Sunday (the 1st day of the billing week for CCBill) until this very second:
11 sales in 3 days, network-wide.

Traffic is the same (even UP in some cases).

Finally, knowing that I would have a TON of traffic hitting today (20,000+ uniques) hitting my best-converting website (Fellucia Blow) I switched my Cascade from CCBill to Epoch at midnight (Tuesday). Wake up, 8,000+ uniques.....2 sales.

With that kind of traffic we would expect 15+ sales.

So i switched back to CCBill 2 hours ago. 35 form hits = 0 sales.

Denials HAVE been off the charts lately but this is fucking insanity. I did this test today/last night, with this website with these traffic sources because, if this were a month ago, even two weeks ago, we would've seen mass sales. NOTHING has changed in the above equation - NOTHING - and when you have months and months of data, over 2 million visitors, etc that proves incredible machine-like consistency then THIS happens you know something is very, very fucked up (with both CCBill and Epoch).


Today? Bullshit.

So i dunno guys....time to ask Tony Parra for some Subway applications.

Thanks for the update. I am also desperate.
This is so fucking insane...
I am also looking for a way out of this situation...

[patavax]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

FYI:
I run 20+ paysites (see sig). 7 or 8 make consistent sales, 4 or 5 make occassional sales and the rest (all sites 3+ years old with no updates) act as 'bonus sites'.

The 7 or 8 sites that make sales every day range from 1 sale up to 15 sales per day. So an 'average' day means, network-wide, 40+ sales. A "good" day and it's closer to 100 sales per day.

Since Sunday (the 1st day of the billing week for CCBill) until this very second:
11 sales in 3 days, network-wide.

Traffic is the same (even UP in some cases).

Finally, knowing that I would have a TON of traffic hitting today (20,000+ uniques) hitting my best-converting website (Fellucia Blow) I switched my Cascade from CCBill to Epoch at midnight (Tuesday). Wake up, 8,000+ uniques.....2 sales.

With that kind of traffic we would expect 15+ sales.

So i switched back to CCBill 2 hours ago. 35 form hits = 0 sales.

Denials HAVE been off the charts lately but this is fucking insanity. I did this test today/last night, with this website with these traffic sources because, if this were a month ago, even two weeks ago, we would've seen mass sales. NOTHING has changed in the above equation - NOTHING - and when you have months and months of data, over 2 million visitors, etc that proves incredible machine-like consistency then THIS happens you know something is very, very fucked up (with both CCBill and Epoch).


Today? Bullshit.

So i dunno guys....time to ask Tony Parra for some Subway applications.

Did you contact CCBILL or EPOCH ???

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by patavax

Did you contact CCBILL or EPOCH ???

Yes Epoch - but just to tell them I'm switching the cascade BACK to CCBill after seeing 180+ form hits and only 2 submissions/approvals. LOL Jesus - 187!!!! We should've had ten minimum sales from those kinds of form hit numbers.

But when it comes to contacting CCBill or Epoch to complain or inquire I get the feeling their phones are ringing off da hook, as the kidz say, so MY calling would just add to the cacophony.

Bottom line here: Like many who enjoy the convenience and the trust companies like CCBill and Epoch (and others) can provide for people, being able to completely control the submission process is looking more and more like the way to go. So if CCBill, Epoch et al don't want to see a massive flood of Paysite/Program Owners fleeing their companies and going to NATS or even their own merch accounts these guys better lower the scrub, increase their put-throughs, ease off on the fraud detection 0 tolerance they seem to have now and MAKE US OUR FUCKING MONEY.

Or we'll just take hundreds of thousands - to - millions of dollars away from them. For 14.5 - 11.5% we get THIS kind of ratios? Ridiculous.

[Bhunter]

I'm online now.. waiting for Paul.. will keep ya updated

it's 11pm here and i'll keep up the whole night before i have an answer

[Bhunter]

i'm getting al kind of denail e-mail from diffrent users.. while looking in statscouter and no surfer is exiting to my ccbill join pages...


could this be the e-mails from last week finaly arriving in my box???

[CHMOD]

I see EXACTLY the same sales pattern with my websites. I use CCBill.
I tried Epoch but I hated it.

Lately -since 2 months- I have seen a lot of denials from CCBill.
I don't even bother writing or phoning them. I allready know the answer. :

"Everything runs smoothly on our end. Nothing special to say."

I guess it is time to switch to another processor but I wonder if it will make a difference.
+ all my affiliates would have to change their links... damn what a mess.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

i'm getting al kind of denail e-mail from diffrent users.. while looking in statscouter and no surfer is exiting to my ccbill join pages...


could this be the e-mails from last week finaly arriving in my box???

Still awake? LOL

I go out, spend the whole day trying to chill and not FREAK OUT MAN. Meanwhile, traffic keeps coming and coming and cumming all over my fucking websites, like a homeless degenerate whackin' and jackin' it til he OOZES his sperm all over....okay, sorry. Weird day.

Anyway, come home after not checking for seven hours - SEVEN HOURS - and got....two sales.

okay seriously - 12000 visitors and 2 sales????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

And let me guess: nothing from CCBill, right?

I DID get an email saying how they've adjusted their regional pricing. LOL Great - what's x% of 0?

[The Porn Nerd]

Okay, finally got a sale! Must've been all those question marks above. They worked! Quick! Everyone start putting a lot of ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
in their posts!

Org-fucking-laugh.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Okay, finally got a sale! Must've been all those question marks above. They worked! Quick! Everyone start putting a lot of ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
in their posts!

Org-fucking-laugh.

LOL, maybe the more ????s you put the more sales you get (try it! )

Seriously tho, I believe you're not too far from our offices. You're welcome to come down and see first hand how you can maximize what you're making off of your sites or just do some hanging out if you'd like

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

LOL, maybe the more ????s you put the more sales you get (try it! )

Seriously tho, I believe you're not too far from our offices. You're welcome to come down and see first hand how you can maximize what you're making off of your sites or just do some hanging out if you'd like

Tell you what: I'll say I'll come down and talk to y'all and hang out JUST to make the CCBill-ers who monitor these threads sweat a little. LOL How's after Memorial Day? I'm getting the FUCK outta town this year. Although I actually love the city during these long weekends; no one around, the lines at the movies are short, the park (Central) is a wee less madding. But I need a freakin' TAN after all these months being a keyboard monkey so it's the beach for Mister P! I'll hit you up upon my return. :D